The Execution of Jessie Hoffman

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0:49 Inside these walls, inside the wild. And when the girl as I, Hey everyone, and welcome back to Bloody Angola, A podcast one and forty two years in the making, the complete story of America's Bloody Is Prison. I'm Jim Chapman, and a lot has happened since the last time I dropped an episode. Just last week, if you've been listening, we just completed a three part series in which I covered the crimes and convictions of three inmates that had received death warrants in the state of Louisiana. In the first episode in that three part series covered the crimes of Jesse Hoffman, who, if you'll remember, had his execution delayed due to a Louisiana District judge finding the method of execution nitrogen hypoxia, unconstitutional and a

2:20 violation of the Eighth Amendment, which is cruel and unusual punishment. Now, this was on March eleventh, So on March twelfth, ag Liz Murel. She files what is known as an emergency brief, and she urges the courts to move forward. Now, what really spearheaded this, at least from the defense standpoint, was the claim that the state did not release their execution protocol until the eve of May seventh. So essentially they're saying they didn't have time to legally scrutinize that protocol.

3:00 So let's go over Louisiana's execution protocol quickly. So the protocol outlines a structured, multi phase process and it begins thirty days before the execution and continues until after the inmate is pronounced dead. In Phase one, which is thirty days before the execution, the inmate is served a death warrant and he must acknowledge or she must acknowledge receipt of that death warrant. The inmate may select a spiritual advisor who must undergo training if they wish to be present in the execution chamber. Medical monitoring begins, and that includes mental health evaluations. All that is in phase one, which is thirty days out. Then in phase two, which is two weeks out fourteen days, the inmate's family receives formal notice of the execution date. The inmate also finalizes any legal, spiritual, or funeral arrangements. Then they move on to Phase three, which is ten to three days before the execution. Law enforcement agencies they get notified of the execution.

4:14 Witnesses including victim representatives and media, are selected. Final equipment inspections as the security briefings are conducted, and then they move to Phase four, which is twelve to thirty six hours before the execution. At that time, the execution chamber is placed on what's known as restricted access. The nitrogen hypoxia system gets tested to make sure it's functional, The inmate's personal property is inventoried and secured, and then Phase five is the day of the execution. At noon, the inmate is served a final meal if he or she so chooses. One hour before the execution, final security checks are conducted. The end gets prepared, including being fitted with what's none as a pulse oximeter. The nitrogen hypoxia mask is placed into the execution chamber, and then the execution commences.

5:12 The warden opens the nitrogen gas lockout valve. The gas is administered for at least fifteen minutes, or until five minutes after a flight line is detected on an EKG machine, the chamber is ventilated before officials confirmed the execution is complete. And then there's a phase six, which is post execution procedures, which the corner officially pronounces the inmate dead, the Governor's office is notified, and the body is removed. Funeral arrangements are carried out per the inmate's request. So that is the official execution protocol for the State of Louisiana, and that's what they were arguing. They didn't have this protocol, so they couldn't legally scrutinize it. I mean, they're by time, right, So, as I told you, Liz Muriel files what's known as an emergency brief and at that point the Louisiana appeals to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeal and they actually overturned the temporary injunction on Jesse Hoffman's execution. The execution was on and it happened in quick order, but not before the justice system got quite the workout first. After exhausting all other avenues, Hoffman appealed to the US Supreme Court.

6:36 In the eleventh hour. He filed both a writ and an application for stay of execution. And I have that, and I'm going to review it with you real quick. Jesse Hoffman's execution is scheduled for March eighteenth, twenty twenty five, between six and nine pm to the Honorable Samuel Alito, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States and Circuit Justice for the Fifth Circuit. Petitioner Jesse Hoffman, respectively, requests that this Court stay his execution using nitrogen hypoxia, penning the Court's disposition of his pending petition of a WRINT. Mister Hoffman is scheduled to be executed on March eighteenth, twenty twenty five, between six and nine pm if the Court is unable to resolve this application by five point fifty nine. On March eighteenth, twenty twenty five, issued grant a temporary stay while it considers the application. Then it lists the reasons reasoning for granting the stay of application.

7:34 Mister Hoffman's execution date is presently March eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Mister Hoffman has concurrently filed a petition for a WRINT. With this application, the impending execution date may preclude this Court from considering mister Hoffman's petition before the scheduled execution, thus necessitating this application. Mister Hoffman's challenge to his execution is timely raised and has a very strong likely hood of success on the merits. The State of Louisiana announced on February tenth, twenty twenty five, that it had created a protocol for execution by nitrogen hypoxia, that is, the deprivation of oxygen through the forced inhalation of pure nitrogen until someone dies. It served mister Hoffman with a death warrant on February twentieth, twenty twenty five, notifying him for the first time that he would be the first Louisian inmate to be executed by nitrogen hypoxia. On March eighteenth, twenty twenty five. The state did not disclose its new protocol for nitrogen gassing until over a week later. Mister Hoffman, a practicing Buddhists, diligently exhausted his administrative remedies and filed this suit less than a week after receiving his death warrant, challenging the state's method of execution under the Eighth Amendment.

8:50 In the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, The Eighth Amendment forbids forms of execution that intensified death sentence with super additions of terror, pain, or disgrace. To succeed on the method of execution challenge under the Eighth Amendment, an inn may must show that a feasible, readily implemented alternative procedure would significantly reduce a substantial risk of severe pain. The District Court, after expedited discovery and a twelve hour hearing, concluded that mister Hoffman was likely to succeed on the merits of his Eighth Amendment claim and had entered a preliminary injunction based on its extensive findings of fact, which in turn were based on an expert and testimony. Relying on medical expert testimony, the District Court concluded that mister Hoffman was likely to succeed in showing that nitrogen gasing super ads physiological terror compared to execution by firing squad and then in parentheses, it says the readily available and feasible alternative mister Hoffman proposed number two, he would likely be horned absent a preliminary injunction, and three the equities and the public interests weighed against the state's rushed execution of mister Hoffman. A divided panel of the Fifth Circuit vacated the injunction on March fourteenth, twenty twenty five, in an opinion flatly inconsistent with this Court's precedent. As mister Hoffman explains in his petition, a majority of the Fifth

10:23 Circuit panel misapplied the Eighth Amendment and ignored the District Court's factual findings on the central issue of psychological terror. The majority suggested a categorical rule that the Eighth Amendment requires a petitioner to show that the alternative method of execution is less physically painful than the chosen method, regardless of the psychological effect, while giving lip service to the Court's recognition to the super edition of terror that it can violate the Eighth Amendment. The panel majority also completely ignored mister Hoffman's r LUPA claim us by mister Hoffman as an alternative basis for affirming the court's injunction. Nitrogen hypoxia makes mister Hoffman's religious practice impossible, and then it goes on and it gives a conglomerate of reasons that mister Hafflins's attorneys felt the Fifth Circuit failed them for lack of a better word. So after that was filed, the state responded, and that's known as a brief in opposition to the application for stay. And in that statement of the opposition of application, the state said, in the interest of time and efficiency, the State here addresses only the core relevant facts and it expounds where necessary in the argument below. On the night before Thanksgiving nineteen ninety six, play If Jesse Hoffman kidnapped, robbed, and raped Mary Molly Elliott.

11:55 The play if kidnapped Molly at gunpoint drover to an ATM forster to withdraw raw two hundred dollars and robbed her. The planiff subsequently raped Molly in the backseat of her own car in the remote area of Saint Timiny Parish. He then marched her steal naked down a dirt path which was overgrown with vegetation and full of trash used as a dump. Her death march ultimately ended at a small makeshift dock on the Middle Pearl River, where the planiff was forced to her knees and he shot her in the head execution style. Molly likely survived for a few minutes after being shot, but she was not discovered until after Thanksgiving Day, when a duck hunter came across her naked body on the dock. For his part, the planiff soon after took his girlfriend shopping with Molly's money.

12:45 A jury convicted the planiff of first degree murder, and he was sentenced to death. His appeal was litigated to finality, and he exhausted all of his state and federal post conviction remedies. Although lethal injection was louis Suisiana's method of execution when the planet murdered Molly, drug companies have since made it extraordinarily difficult for states to obtain the necessary drugs. As a result, Louisiana and other states recently have turned to nitrogen hypoxia because there's no supply concerns with the nitrogen. For Louisiana, that time came in the spring of twenty twenty four, when legislatures amended and adopted nitrogen hypoxia as a method of execution. Nitrogen hypoxia is Louisiana's only current available method. Over the past year, Louisiana's Department of Public Safety and Correction constructed a nitrogen hypoxia system that mirrors Alabama and since twenty twenty four, Alabama itself has carried out successfully for nitrogen hypoxia executions. In general terms, the system delivers pure nitrogen to a full faced silicon mask with a plexiglass screen known as a source respirator. Industrial grade and superior to medical grade mask. Thick cushion material presses against the face and creates an air tight seal.

14:07 The mask has a one way inlet valve allowing for airflow into the mask from the industrial tube that delivers both ambient air and nitrogen. The mask also allows for exhaling through another one way exhaust valve the plane. If appeared to complain the system uses industrial grade not medical grade nitrogen, he omits that medical grade nitrogen is comparatively inferior because it has more impurities than does Louisiana's ultra grade nitrogen. The state's expert is the only expert in the case who inspected and tested Louisiana's system. Specifically, he laid down on the gurney with the mask on at the intended flow rate, and he testified that he could breathe very comfortably with the mask on. He also took a video demonstrating how quickly pure nitrogen displaces oxygen in the mask by thirty seconds, the air inside the mask is only four point four percent, oxygen, one point eight percent by forty seconds, and so on. Almost immediately after legislature adopted nitrogen hypoxia, the PLANEFF attempted to reopen a dismissed as moot case challenging Louisiana's legal injection protocol. That case was dismissed a few years ago because Louisiana was and still is currently unable to obtain necessary drugs with nitrogen now permitted under Louisiana law. However, Planet filed a motion claiming that there has since been a material and extraordinary change of circumstances that gives rise to a live

15:41 controversy between the parties for the next eight months. However, the District Court took no action on the motion, and the Planet refused to file this lawsuit. Indeed, it was not until the Planet's death warrant was issued in February of twenty twenty five that Hoffmann's docket bounced back. The District Court issued an order real opening the case on procedurally dubious grounds, as the fifth Circuit in this case would later observe. The state sought relief and secured an administrative state on the basis that this was an improper exercise of authority. Once the Planeff realized he would be unable to use his old case as a challenge to Louisiana's new method of execution, he filed this lawsuit on February twenty fifth, and sought on February twenty six to enjoin his execution. In the ensuing two weeks, the parties engaged in expedited discovery motions, practice and an evidentiary hearing on Friday, May seventh, followed by proposed findings and conclusions filed at nine am on March ninth. This case has substantially narrowed in the meantime because the District Court partially granted the state's motion to dismiss certain claims from the bench in its injunctive order that the Planeff was unlikely to succeed on certain other claims as things, and therefore the only life claim presented to the Fifth Circuit is the planet's Eighth Amendment challenge to nitrogen hypoxia. Here are a few key facts on that challenge. To begin, as

17:11 District Court recognized both Planiff and the state's experts agree that nitrogen hypoxia does not produce physical pain. Planiff's case thus depends on alleged psychological pain. To that end, he testified he is a Buddhist and engages in meditative breathing twice a day, which requires concentrated deep breasts both inhaling and exhaling. He also testified he plans to use his breathing techniques during his execution. He put on a PTSD expert, doctor Sawter, who agreed that the Planiff has mastered his breathing techniques to control any PTSD issues. In so long as he can practice a breathing he will be able to decrease his distrust. Planiff also put on another expert, doctor Bickler, who testified with normal breathing in especially with deep breasts, as the planet intends, unconsciousness will occur in less than one minute after the pure nitrogen begins to flow into the mask. Doctor Bickler also testified at least in the assisted suicide contacts, allowing the free flow of a gas into the lungs but with no oxygen, causes a gentle hypoxic death. His only excuse for taking the opposite position what respect to the use of nitrogen here was that it was very different contexts than forced asphyxiation with nitrogen in a death chamber. The state's expert agreed on the key facts. His opinion is that Louisiana system will cause unconsciousness within thirty five to forty seconds or

18:42 perhaps sooner once the planet begins to inhale pure nitrogen, and he expects death to follow rapidly within ten to fifteen minutes. I do not believe they inmate would suffer any pain with that system, the expert said. First part, the planet oppose the firing squad in a drug cocktail known as DDMAPH as alternative methods to execution that renders nitrogen hypoxia unconstitutional. In granting the planet's motion for a preliminary injunction on March eleventh, the District Court rejected DDMAPH because the state cannot use drugs for execution purposes, but agreed that the firing squad is a suitable alternative. On March fourteenth, the Fifth Circuit vacated that injunction as not just wrong, but constitutionally backwards. Specifically, the Fifth Circuit rejected the idea that the Eighth Amendment somehow requires Louisiana to use admittingly more painful methods of execution, namely execution by firing squad rather than nitrogen hypoxia. The Fifth Circuit recognized that both sides experts testified about pain from the firing squad, while agreeing that nitrogen hypoxia is physical painless in some the District Court didn't just get the legal analysis wrong, it turned the Constitution on its head by relying on indisputably more painful method of execution than nitrogen hypoxia. Reasonable

20:14 minds can differ on the proper understanding of the Eighth Amendment and in certain cases, but surely we can all agree that it does not require state officials to favor more painful methods of execution over less painful ones. Judge Hayne descended on the ground that there are issues that need more time to be resolved and decided. She also believed that the majority opinion does not adequately address the facts as properly found by the District Court. So that was their response, and long story short on that one Supreme Court did not rule on the case. They actually said the state pretty much got it right, and they weren't going to hear it. So the execution was on, and it had been fifteen years since Louisiana had executed someone.

21:09 And as I mentioned earlier, some reporters are allowed into the chamber, and one in particular did a really fantastic job of covering from start to finish. I'm going to read that for you. It's from the Timespeaky Unit says Jesse Hoffman's final moments inside the Louisiana execution chamber at Angola, and it goes on to read A waft of spring flowers and low chant filled the entryway to Louisiana's execution building on Tuesday, as seven designated witnesses filed inside. The source of the channing soon became apparent. The condemned man's spiritual advisor, dressed in a black robe, appeared through a side window as prison officials led him into the death chamber.

21:54 It was six seventeen pm inside Camp F at the Louisiana State Penitentiary in Gola, where no one has been executed since twenty ten. Laminated signs on the walls cautioned nitrogen hypoxia system is active and pressurized. A pair of meters on the wall in the viewing room put the air at a healthy twenty point seven percent oxygen, though was quiet and heavy as a pair of curtains rose. On Louisiana's first execution using nitrogen gas, Jesse Hoffman Junior appeared through a picture window. He was already stripped onto the execution table and draped in a plush gray blanket.

22:35 A blue industrial gray respirator covered his face, leaving little of Hoffman to see as he laid an incline facing the window. Armsplayed in a cruciform table. Only a portion of his neck and hands were visible, thumbs touching forefingers in a sacred Buddhist pose as in Gola Warden. Darryl Venet reach for a microphone. Would you like to make a last statement? He said. Hoffman, forty six, tossed his head to the side and seemed to say nothing. He also declined a last meal. A president official later said, Vaney adjusted a valve on the mask covering Hoffman's face. The state will now carry out the execution of condemned inmate Jesse Hoffman. He said there would be no signal for when the ultra high grade nitrogen called in for Louisiana's new execution protocol would begin to enter the mask and kill Hoffman. Official said, and a briefing later that had happened at six point twenty one pm, and that the gas ran for nineteen minutes. Tubing leed from a wall under the blanket at Hoffman's right hand. At six point twenty two pm, his breathing became uneven, his chest rose, and he made a jerking motion. A minute later, Hoffman's body shook and his fingers twisched. He appeared to pull at the arms of the table, which has bolted into a ceramic tile floor in the center block chamber. Hoffman's hands began to clinch, his head stayed turned to his right, his breathing slowed. Birds could be heard chirping under cloudless

24:05 skies near dust from a witness room, which included only the state officials and news reporters, divided by a wall romoku. Gregory Smith, the Buddhist spiritual advisor Hoffman, chose to accompany his death, knelt on a rug a few feet away, rarely taking his eyes off of Hoffman. An oxygen mon arrested nearby on a seal. Hoffman's head remained tilted towards the room with the nitrogen tanks. At six twenty six pm, Hoffman's head moved inside the mass. Less than a minute later, a few seconds before six twenty seven pm, he jerked slightly. It would be the last significant movement Hoffman would make in a life he had mostly spent on death row.

24:48 To his left, the nat stood in a charcoal suit and black loafers, beside an anonymous prison official. Minutes past, Hoffman's breathing slowed, then became imperceptible on the wall behind his head. A pair of red bones, installed in case of a need to communicate last minute reprieves remained still and silent while Hoffman died under bright fluorescent light. At six point thirty eight pm, Smith cast his eyes downward toward the floor as he knelt. A few minutes later, Finoid pressed a button and the curtains descended. Rythmic deep chanting and popping soon could be heard from the obscured chamber, part of Hoffman's state. Approve's spiritual sind off. The pops and chance continued for more than four minutes before they wind down. When the curtains rose again at six point fifty two pm, Smith had left the room, Westcott, the correction secretary, had entered it. Fenoy announced the execution was complete and placed the time of death at six point fifty pm. Hoffman's face had been made visible for the first time. The mass used to kill him was now removed.

25:55 His head was tilted back, teeth exposed in a grimace as the curtains slowly descended once more. Pretty descriptive. Now in the clip I'm about to play you the age for Louisiana, Liz Muhral did something I really liked to see. She held a press conference and she highlighted the victim in this case as she held up a large picture and really did a good job of keeping the perspective where it needed to be in my view, which is on the victim. And here's what that sounded like. This was Mary Margaret Murphy Elliot. She was known to her friends as Molly. On November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety six, on Thanksgiving Day, a duck hunter found Molly Elliott's naked dead body abandoned on a makeshift doc where she had been shot in the head executions style after being kidnapped, robbed, terrorized, raped and marched to this desolate spot for her death.

27:11 Molly was brutally and mercilessly raped and murdered. She was only twenty eight years old. That was nearly thirty years ago. Tonight justice was served for Molly Elliott and for the state of Louisiana. Molly's husband told USA Today, Molly was a cherished person who missed out on motherhood, a promising and successful career, and a life in the country on the property we bought together. Hers was a life that was so full of hope and promise for a beautiful future. The loss of Molly is a scar we will forever carry, and it will never heal. Governor Landry and I made a promise to the citizens of Louisiana and the family members of the victims of these heinous crimes, that we would put them first and that we would follow the law.

28:05 The last execution in Louisiana was in twenty ten of Gerald Bordelawn, who waived all of his final appeals. Justice has been delayed for these victims and their families for far too long. I, along with my office, remain committed to ensuring that justice is carried out in all the death penalty cases. Jesse Hoffman was convicted and sentenced to death by a jury for his heinous crimes. He received multiple appeals. He received even more appeals and review in the last several days. Now he faces his ultimate judge judgment before God.

28:53 This time we'll open it up to questions. We will start from the last data this sort. Can anyone at the prison speak to how sort of raw was affected on the staff. And Christeners in the days leading up to their secution? Yeah, do you want to know them? Can we get more quarter quarter going? Come on up, dip, good evening. Our staff is our professionals. Their morale was not effected affected, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure that they all had their own views. But I'm so proud of my team, my staff, everyone was so professional. They showed mister Harper dignity and respect and did their jobs and I am proud of them. The death row inmates, Uh, today, they were kind of quiet, but that's to be expected. I've showed that in the past. But no problems, very respectful, just kind of quiet and solve them today.

30:11 Were any of them family as they were not? But with the governor and I've both been in contact with them, as have people from the District Attorney's office in Saint Tammany and the detectives who investigate this case from the outset, So they've been in close contact with the family. Commissioner Warden. Any problems that you guys, obviously, this is something that's brand new to you guys, using as a as an execution tool. Is there anything that you ran into, any concerns and problems witness being carried out for the very first time. I'll say my staff, as everybody knows, we followed the protocol of Alabama.

30:54 Again. We let them lead the way and we followed them. We actually probably did a little bit better than they did with some of the equipment we did, and we've made some tweaks. To what they did. It. It was flawless. It went about as good as we can expect we expected. It to be. We had no problems. We are, like the warden said, our staff is trained for this, uh and it went. It went about as flawless as we could expect it to be. There was no there was nothing that happened that we want to work for. And right. So what is your message to the people outside, people who are there with individuals and saying not and it's not just what the it made, but it also the victim.

31:37 But they're saying they want the definitely not to. Be in the museum. That's takular. Yeah, that's a legislative policy issue. And certainly they are free to advocate and to pray and to continue to support whatever their views are. But this is the law of Louisiana, and we carried out the law of the State of Louisiana. So you said that you had authorities have bit in touch with the family of Molly Elliott, and they were not unanimously and they were carrying out this execution. So what do you say to the family not a favor of execution in this case as well as other cases going forward, and leave you hear the concern and family members of victims who don't want.

32:27 It the execution. I can tell you that Molly Elliott's immediate family members did not oppose this moving forward. They are grateful to have finality and I was in direct communication with them during this process. So you know, other people might have their opinions, but I don't think it was the opinion of the immediate family members. I think they're grateful to have finality. What was frustrating for them is that it took thirty years. Yeah, yeah, so will those executioners speed up the process of other indix who our development. We certainly expect to go back and look at how to make sure that we move these cases along. I've already been looking at that, looking at every case and what the status is of every case. Some of these cases have been sitting for a couple of decades with motions that the defense attorneys frank frankly should have moved forward a long time ago, a long time ago. We'll address those issues as we can, but yes, we expect to move more forward. Going off of that, Since you guys say this is you know, this is a Christians as the executions for ten.

33:43 Years, how soon do you expect the next execution? How many executions are you expected to be carried out this? I couldn't answer that. They're at all different stages in litigation. And and because this one did move forward, there have been new filings in a lot of these cases and we just have to go sort that out in the court. So it's really it's really impossible to say, but my staff, my team and I really want to compliment all of the lawyers that work together with the District Attorney's office in Saint Tammany, with my office. Really all kind of came together because there were filings in multiple courts for the last few days, and you know, I think that that will continue to happen, but we're going to start working our way through motions and begin to clear the underbrush and move these cases forward. Every everybody deserves the justice that the state promised to them in these cases, and I think that it's important for us to be able to move them forward.

34:47 As you, earl, you've advocated for this policy for a long time. Did you face the potential of witnessing execution? So did you wrestle with that. I certainly had the opp tinnity to I sat by a phone because I was somebody had to sit by the telephone. So I sat and waited by the phone in case there was something that I needed to communicate to the room. My staff was present, there were a number of people who were present, but somebody had to sit by the phone, and so I sat by the phone. No two part questions. I know that you gave the timeline as to when the lethal guys started blowing up.

35:28 When he was nail step. Did it actually take all thirty minutes for him to die? And also did he exhibit any visible sign of distress while the execution was being carried out. My chief of prison operation set Smith as a medical background, and he's the one that was in the room watching, So I'm gonna turn it over to. Him, okay to answer that. And like I said, I have a medical background. What is your name, Sir Seth A ctch Smith. I've got a degree in nursing, and I wore practiced and had a license up until a twenty ten, which time I let it lapse. So I was a nurse for over a decade. I've seen a lot of deaths. I was even hospice administrator for some point in time six twenty one, the gas was turned on, the nitrogen was turned on around six twenty three. He did have some convulsive activity, and I was told he may have had even some fine motor stuff after that that I personally didn't see from my angle. Nothing that I would say is consistent with pain, Nothing that I would say is inconsistent with death. You know, when the normal dying process, people do things such as agonal respirations, they will raise up, they will do things like that, even somebody that's terminal illness with high doses of morphine things like that in their system. So you know you can he did move, He did shake very briefly. And when you asked you to take the entire time, our protocol calls for us to go five minutes after flatlin.

36:51 And you don't go from a normal rhythm, your heart's beat and everything's lucky dory. To flatline. You go through various phases where actually you're dead. You know, we waited till there was no electrical activity in the heart, which took I want to say, fourteen minutes, and then we went five minutes beyond that. So we went nineteen minutes, but he, in essence was clinically dead very quickly, very quickly, say I ask you a question, Well, okay. Thank you. So following that, the governor of the state of Louisiana, Jeff Landry, he also issued his statement those short and here's how that wreck. It is unfortunate that bad people exist, and they do real bad things. When these acts of violence happened, society must not tolerate it. God is as just as he is merciful. And my hope is that when Louisiana empties death Row, there will never be another victim whose perpetrator must be placed there. In Louisiana, we will always prioritize victims over criminal law and order over lawlessness, and justice over the status quo. If you commit hanous acts of violence in this state, it will cost you your life, plain simple one. That from Jeff Landry. So there you have it, and now that justice has been served using this new method, and I would suspect more will be rolling out in short order, and of course I will keep you posted on that. Thank you so

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