July 16, 2025

People Hunter: The Manhunt for Ryan Sharpe

People Hunter: The Manhunt for Ryan Sharpe
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Season 8

In this episode of “Bloody Angola Podcast” Jim Chapman Details the manhunt, conviction and sentence of Ryan Sharpe. A Serial Killer who terrorized the rural parish of East Feliciana in the late summer and early fall of 2017, claiming that he was ordered by the FBI, U.S. Navy and the State Police to collect “Human” Hunting tags, resulting in the murder of (3) and near murder of a fourth man in the area.

Chapters
02:38 The Murder of Tommy Bass
05:12 Buck Hornsby Survives a Shooting
12:19 The Murder of Carol Breeden
16:01 Ranger Brad
19:03 Capture of Ryan Sharpe
23:55 The Interrogation Tape

Sources
Louisiana Unfiltered (Hunting Games Episode 1-4)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/louisiana-unfiltered/id1724053486?i=1000665411820
The Advocate
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/alleged-east-feliciana-serial-killer-told-authorities-he-killed-three-men-to-fill-hunting-tags/article_2d30c9d4-a0ab-11e8-94fd-c3c6a7c177cf.html
Gun shot victim speaks out after car opens fire on him
https://www.wbrz.com/news/gun-shot-victim-speaks-out-after-car-opens-fire-on-him/

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Hm, I walk street line, shackle change, Oh doesome gird

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it's calling my name. There is no mercy and it's

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been a tentery juice as the huge stream game Rango three.

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I'm here be.

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By Meda dies.

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Inside these walls, inside the wild and when the girls as.

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I'm hey everyone, and welcome back to Bloody Angola, a

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podcast one hundred and forty two years in the making,

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the complete story of America's bloodiest prison. I'm Jim Chapman,

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and today I am going to bring you back to

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the late summer in early fall of twenty seventeen, three

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random shootings in the parish, along with one just across

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the line in a rural area of East batman Bridge Parish,

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seem to all be the work of one individual. The

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four shootings resulted in the death of three men and

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a fourth man miraculously survived. Now, the simularities in these

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shootings were striking, to say the least. All were white men,

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middle aged and up, and all were shot in front

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of their homes. Eventually, Ryan Sharp would be arrested claiming

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he was hunting people collecting hunting tags for the federal

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government in a conspiracy involving the FBI, the US Navy,

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the Louisiana State Police, and even the richest man in

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America which I looked it up and in twenty seventeen,

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that was Bill Gates. So the road to his conviction

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would prove dawny as a trial, a conviction, and a

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retrial would all have to be played out before these

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families would get justice. And it all began on July

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eighth of twenty seventeen when Tommy Bass, who was sixty

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two years old, was found dead of a shotgun blast

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in the driveway leading out from his carport of his home.

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This was in rural East Feliciana Parish. This type of killing,

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it just didn't happen in East Feliciana Parish. When you

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saw homicide as a detective, it was usually tied to

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a domestic dispute or a dispute in general, where you

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had a suspect right off the bat. In this situation,

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there were a lot of things going against the investigation.

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For example, Tommy did not have any known enemies, He

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was very well known in the community and very well light.

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There was just no cause for the murder that police

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could find. Also, the sheriff, Jeff Travis. He was newly elected.

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This was his very first homicide since taking office nine

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months prior. But fortunately Sheriff Trive had some pretty damn

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good experience in these type of cases as it related

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to one of his deputies. That was Chief Deputy Greg Ferries.

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Greg was the former chief of police for the neighboring

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capital city of Baton Ridge, and he was the very

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first person that Sheriff Jeff Travis called to that scene.

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But unfortunately, there was just not a lot to go

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on with this shooting. Police knew that Bass was shot

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with a shotgun at close range, it just seemed completely random.

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So more than a month would pass before yet another

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seemingly random shooting would occur in East Feliciana Parrish when

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forty seven year old Buck Hornsby was shot twice while

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exercising on his property. This was around seven point fifteen

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in the morning, and this was on September twelfth of

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twenty seventeen. Now, this particular shooting occurred just one and

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a half miles from the murder of Tommy Bass. And

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before I go into Buck Hornsby's situation for that day,

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let me tell you a little bit about Buck because

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I met him. He's a guy you can look at

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and immediately say, this guy was an athlete in his

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younger days. Heck of a high school football player, a

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big guy, but not lineman, big, muscular, big, like a

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running back. He was just a very strong country boy.

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And he was also and still is very strong in

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his faith. And these would both play a key role

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in what's about to happen. So Buck wakes up and

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as was typical for Buck, he was going to go

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on a jog around his property, which on this particular

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day when he woke up, his ankle was kind of

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bothering him, and that would typically occur when the weather

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would start to change. Maybe it was an overcast day

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or something. And as we all know, you get a

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little bit older and the bones start creaking a little

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bit when you wake up, and sometimes they ache. And incidentally,

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at this time, Buck is forty, I believe. But as

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I said, his ankle was bothering him, and he almost

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considered not doing his daily run at all. However, being

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a guy who doesn't like to get out of a habit,

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he just kind of said, heck with it. I'll walk

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a little bit and I'll jog a little bit and

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then walk a little bit when my ankle would start hurting.

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And that's what he did, so a little bit of

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a slower pace than what would be normal for Buck.

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It was that slower pace that would ultimately save his

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life here. So Buck takes off on his job and

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he rounds the corner of his property, which is situated

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right off the highway, and like most of us do,

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he had headphones on. He was just kind of zoning

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out on his jog slash walk right. The volume was

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just low enough, however, that he hears the sound of

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a vehicle seemingly pulling off the side of the highway.

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Buck turns to his right when he hears boom, shotgun blast,

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and Buck gets shot. He dives to his left and

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boom another shot, this one hits him in the back.

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And it's at this point that Buck kind of blacks

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out for thirty seconds to a minute, and he comes

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to realize a couple of things when he gets his

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bearings about him, and he immediately realizes that he's struggling

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to breathe, and his hearing was gone, and he noticed

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he was covered with blood. Now he was shot near

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a portable storage building that he had sitting near the

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edge of his property by the road, and it was

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fortunate that the building was even there. He was looking

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to sell the building, so he puts it up for

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sell by the highway so people would see it and

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if someone's interested, they know he's selling it. But he

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manages to roll underneath that storage building and it was

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sitting a little bit off the ground on wooden blocks

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or something. It was high enough sitting off the ground

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that he could kind of roll underneath it. And at

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that point he starts looking at although his sight was

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not great to say the least, one of the pellets

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had actually put his right eye out at this time.

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So obviously Buck is fueled by pure adrenaline and he

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goes into that survival mode and he makes his way

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to a nearby house, but no one was home, and

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somehow Buck manages to crawl nearly six hundred yards to

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reach his uncle Leon's home. So his uncle hears someone

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banging on the door and he goes to the door

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and he sees Buck, who's yelling, somebody shot me. Get

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me to the hospital, and that's exactly what they do.

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His uncle loads him up, they head to the hospital

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and when they get there. Buck gets taken back for

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X rays and it ain't good. He was riddled with

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shotgun pellets. Over fifty steel lodged after he had been

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hit with one hundred and forty pellets all over his body.

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To this very day, he still has some lodged in

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the pleurisy of his right lung, which means those pellets

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penetrated nearly four inches into his body. And an MRI

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at that point gets ordered, and that's due to the

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serious damage that was done to buck carteroid artery in

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his neck. And later on, Buck would recall that he

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requested the doctors not give him pain medication of any

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kind because he wanted to be able to tell his

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wife and kids that he loved them, and he wasn't

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sure he would be able to do that if they

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pumped him full of painkillers. The guy was a family

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man right now. After that MRI was completed, it was

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discovered that Buck came about a sixteenth of an inch

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from bleeding out on that property. That's how close those

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pellets came from penetrating that main artery. Now, being the

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son of a pastor and a godly man himself, Buck

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knew his survival was nothing thing short of a miracle

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and was God's grace. He was actually quoted as saying

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later on quote, sixty two feet that's how far the

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assailant was for me when he shot me. And had

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this person been just one sixteenth of an inch closer,

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I would not be here.

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I know.

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Had I been in a constant jog in my ankle

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was not hurting, I would have been only about twenty

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feet from the road, and I would not be here.

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God had his hand on me, and folks, I can't

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argue with that at all. It is a blessing and

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a miracle that he is still alive. So by this

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point you have one person killed and another nearly killed

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just a mile and a half away in that rural parish.

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They were both white men, both middle aged and older,

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and both incidents involved a shotgun that they were just

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far enough apart. As far as the time frame, which

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was a little over a month, that it was probably

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long enough that police were not sure yet if these

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were related incidents or not. Now, pretty much the same

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as the murder of Tommy Bass, no motive was present.

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Bug didn't have any enemies that he knew of, or

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that anybody else knew of For that matter, there were

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no witnesses to this other than Buck, just not a

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lot to go on. Time passes, but not a lot

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of time. Just a week later, on September nineteenth of

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twenty seventeen, Carol Breeden, who was sixty six and also

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the commissioner of Brack which is the Baton Ridge Recreation

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District in Baton Ridge, Louisiana, he was shot and killed

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outside of his home while spring we killer. So according

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to his family, the day started out as a normal

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day September nineteenth, twenty seventeen, but it would eventually become

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anything but normal. He and his wife had just returned

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from a cruise, and as is typically done when you

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return from a vacation, there's a lot of work to do, right,

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you got closed a wash, you've got unpacking to do,

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and of course when you go on a cruise for

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a week or two weeks or whatever it was, you've

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probably got a lot of yard work to catch up on.

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And that was the case with the breeding. Now, mister

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Carroll Breeden, he just finished cutting the grass and he

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was in the process of spring the ditch with that

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weed killer, and Miss Breeden, she was inside. She had

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their two year old granddaughter with her, and she hears

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two loud pops. Now, initially she thought the lawnmower had backfired.

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That was her first inclination. However, she quickly remembered, wait

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a minute, he was not on the lawnmower. He had

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already cut the grass. He was supposed to be springing

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that ditch in the front of the house with weedkiller. Now,

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at this time, her twenty five year old grandson was

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also at the house. So she goes and she tells

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him something's not right. Something happened that she heard two

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loud bangs, And they all go out of that house

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together and they see Carol Breeden lying on the ground

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in that yard. He had been shot in the back

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with a rifle. Now, the place where mister Breden's body

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laid and where that pumps prayer was that he was

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using to kill those weeds, they were about twenty yards apart,

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and that likely meant that mister Breeden actually saw the

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shooter and ran a pretty decent distance of way before

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he got shot. This was the third shooting in the area,

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and a couple things would create some difficulty for investigators

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at this point in the investigation first mister Breeden, even

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though he was really really close to the parish line

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of East Feliciana, his property was located in East Baton

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Ridge Parish. So different investigators, right, completely different team working

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on this. Sometimes that can create some slight issues, although

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in this case these folks did work together. The investigators

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from East Feliciana actually contacted the investigators from East batnerg

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Parish and said, hey, we've had some incidents, some shootings

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and some front yards over here, and we would like

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to get involved to make sure these aren't related. Now,

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the second thing that was strange about this situation was

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mister Breeden was shot with a rifle, not a shotgun,

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which was used in the first two incidents. And that

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is super rare in instances like this, where the same

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person would completely change a murder weapon. You just did

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not see that happen. Usually it's the same weapon every time.

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Not unheard of, but rare. So even though these incidents

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occurred really close together, and when I say these incidents,

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I'm referring to buck Hornsby shooting and the shooting involving

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mister Breeden, there were still questions as to whether they

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were related. Or what seemed more likely at this point,

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considering the murder weapon change, maybe a copycat was out

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there somewhere. Police at this point just were not sure.

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Hopefully you're keeping up. At this point, you have Tommy

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Bass shot with a shotgun, and the load used in

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that case was butck shot. Then you have Buck Hornsby,

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also shot with a shotgun, but the load used was

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not buckshot, it was a little lighter load. Then you

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have the killing of mister Breeden, who was shot with

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a rifle. Now what's most disturbing at this point is

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that all these men are very well respected, very good people.

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Everyone who knew these people just absolutely loved them. They

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were family men, they were fathers, they were husbands. It

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just didn't make any sense that any of them would

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get shot, much less killed. And the randomness of all

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of this made the investigation even more difficult. And that

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brings me to October ninth of twenty seventeen, which was

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just a couple of weeks after the murder of mister

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Carall Breeden. And I'm going to tell you about forty

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eight year old Brad di Franceski. So he was known

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as Ranger Brad, and he was a camp rager at

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Avondale Scout Reservation and just an amazing human being. This

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guy served in the Navy. He was very beloved by

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family and friends. Dedicated his life to scouting and teaching

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young boys how to be men right. And he lived

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at that camp, Avondale Scout Reservation in East Feliciana Parish,

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And on October ninth of twenty seventeen, he was taking

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care of lawnwork around that camp. Now, his wife was

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just inside the home with one of their children, which

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she homeschool, and she heard some loud pops and she

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initially thought the weed eater had blown up, so she

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runs outside immediately, so fast in fact, that she actually

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sees her husband fall as well as seeing a car

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speed away. And my heart just absolutely goes out to

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this woman for what she must have seen. Ranger Brad

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was shot at four times, with three shots hitting him,

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and a rifle was used in this case as well.

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Of course, investigators from everywhere flocked to Camp Avendale as

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well as EMT's medics, etc. But sadly, it was just

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too late to save Ranger Bread And it was at

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this point in the investigation that investigators knew these killings

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were related. Then just hours later, police in East Feliciana

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Parish they receive a call and it was a man

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on the other line and he was fully admitting to

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these shootings and he told them his name was Ryan Sharp.

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So that call ends and then police attempt to call

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Ryan back. There's no answer that time. However, Ryan Sharp

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calls the police back a second time and again identifies

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himself as the one they were looking for in these

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killings in shootings, and it was during these calls that

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Ryan Sharp claimed he was collecting hunting tags for the

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federal government. More on that later, but for now, it's

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important to mention that the police had not released to

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the public some things. They had gathered some information in

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this investigation that they were holding close to their chest,

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and this is common in all cases. There's some things

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you don't release to the public until you absolutely have to.

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And one of those things is that they had kind

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of a rough description of the car they were looking for,

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and it was a four door car, white in color,

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and they were able to gather this information by reviewing

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a bunch of surveillance video from businesses that were around

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the areas where these shootings took place, so they kind

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of had something to go off.

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Of at this point.

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So while some police were chasing down leads of cars

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matching that description, several other investigators actually headed out to

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the home of Ryan Sharp and they were able to

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track down his address from motor vehicle records. And incidentally,

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this is two days after the d Frienceskey killing, and

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several officers were involved in this, including Chief Deputy Greg Ferries,

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a lieutenant now John Johnson, who was the sergeant with

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East Baton Rodge Parry Sheriff's Office at that time. And incidentally,

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I have a connection to Lieutenant John Johnson. He and

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I were high school buddies. We did some hunting together.

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He used to pick me up for school every day

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and drive me to school. Actually, and I can tell

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you that when I found out he was involved in this,

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my ear actually parked up. So if you're listening, John Johnson.

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But getting back to these teams of detectives, they meet

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outside the gate that leads into to the property of

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Ryan Sharp, and they're kind of putting up a game

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plan together of exactly what everybody's gonna do when they

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go in there and when you know, as they are

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doing this. What pulls out of the driveway of Ryan

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Sharp's house but a four door white car. So the

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detectives they see this and they give chase to Ryan Sharp,

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and he actually eludes police for a bit, and you've

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got like a legit high speed chase going on at

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this time. Now, eventually Sharp ends up having a backtrack,

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which he does and he runs car to car with

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Chief Deputy Greg Ferries and some other police and everybody

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pulls over and Fairies is the first person out of

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the car. He draws his gun. He's issuing commands, you know,

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get out of the car. Get out of the car,

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firm commands. And it's important to note as of this

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point there's a rifle on the passenger seat of Sharp's

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car that Fairies can see. And according to Greg Fairies,

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he could tell that Sharp was thinking about it, if

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you will for a minute. And when when I say that,

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I mean he's considering grabbing that rifle. But eventually he

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figures there ain't no way he's gonna be able to

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get that shotgun. And it's at this point Greg Fairies

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cracks that door open, grabs him by the shirt to

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pull him out. Jim did you see what happened in

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Texas today. Wait before you tell me that, let me

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tell you what happened in New York. It cannot be

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as crazy as the case I told you about yesterday

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in Louisiana. You know what, we should do a podcast

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about it, and with that we did. Crime War Weekly

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covers the crime news headlines that have dominated the week.

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searching crime wi Weekly or clicking the link in the

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description of this podcast. Unfortunately, Sharp's shirt that he had

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on was a tank top. So what happens when Fairies

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grabs this shirt of this now known serial killer. He

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goes to pull him out of the car, and the

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freaking shirt slides right off of Ryan Sharp. So there's

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Greg Fairies with the tank top in his hand and

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no body behind it, which is kind of an O

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shit moment for everybody. However, fortunately other police were there

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and they were able to scoop up Sharp fairly quickly,

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and they place him under arrest, and this nightmare is

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finally over, right, they have this man in custody, and

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it's all good from a policing perspective in this case,

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at this point right now. Of course, you know it

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always gets crazy from me, and what everyone would discover

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was that in this case, this was just the beginning.

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So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna play you

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the key points in the interrogation. And this is the

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actual recording of the interrogation of Ryan Sharp, and you're

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gonna hear the most bizarre story you have ever heard

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in your life. Likely it's a little bit lengthy. It's

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about forty five minutes in length, but you need to

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hear this to understand the story from here.

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Right.

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Yes, sir, my name is Phil Cox, say missmill Yeah,

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we're talking a little following and.

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So now we're in we're safely she headquarters. How I

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didn't introduce this as Kevin Garrett. Uh, he's a detective

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with each flicicityam share flowers.

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Yes.

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So so as I said before you follow me yesterday

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morning listening and shouted you you were the uh son, uh,

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the person who killed the man on how it shoot

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you three mister different Chester, Yes, sir, and it wasn't

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you go shot.

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Yes, sir, why did you shoot it?

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When I fired into a big federal case and I

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was supposed to feel so many times every year, every

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so many years. Oh okay, I was given from permission

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to state police during these times, I finally used eaily force.

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And by the navy.

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Okay, Uh when did when did you get the permission?

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I was on a phone call for two different you know,

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two different age us to state leaves.

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Okay, uh the navy? What did you use to shoot

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the man? My rifle? What kind of right? Just an

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old salt rifle?

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Uh?

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What kind of old salt rock? Old three fifty three fifty? Oh?

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Uh?

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Uh? So what what brand is you know? Now? No,

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it's old mm hmm, it's uh.

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But it's three fifty Yeah, I was supposed to when

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when I feel it tag, I'm supposed to call and

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turn it in.

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I'll pick the phone and call the sheriff for Oh

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so that's why you called me? Yes, okay, I got you.

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Uh uh? How many tags do you feel in the

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last six eight months?

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I'm allowed to I'm allowed to shoot deer too through

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the wild wife in fisheries, and I got a deer

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down and they do qualify that as.

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Too, so, but what about people?

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Well, that's qualified as one get them.

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But I mean how many how many of you tags

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you can filled on people?

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And I got a couple more? Who were those? I

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can't tell you right this second.

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Uh I thought we were buddies.

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I don't have a long ducks on the road on them.

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Uh why not you get the report them like you're

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supposed to or I'm supposed to the way all for

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us to do it?

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Okay? Uh?

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Uh? If I were to ask you about specific events,

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would you would you ask me truthfully?

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Maybe?

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All?

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Right?

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Well I was supposed I was supposed to. All this

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goes back to this federal hotel. Okay, okay, Well, all

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these people are on this big federal case. And when

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I come on hooked, if I'm on hook h you know,

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they start putting more people in there.

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This is agent in US, A big federal case. What

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kind of federal case? Just a big one.

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You keep telling me what it's about.

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Oh, it's just different agencies and stay police time into it.

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Oh okay? And uh well in three fifty one rival years, Yeah,

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did you ever shoot anybody else with it? Uh? Find

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I pass? Okay, uh, and uh do.

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You remember how long ago that might have been just

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a little while.

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I don't remember I shooting people just for the fillow? Yeah?

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Where where was? Where was it at when you shut

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him and get the trick the other other? Right? You

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recall now, I don't wanna say right this saying okay, yeah,

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you're supposed to call a lot of tags in one

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at a time. Okay, I'm not from but if you ever.

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Tell you right now, I'm supposed to provide horses where

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they call people or the horses that go out hotel.

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If I tell you right now, I'm gonna lease two horses.

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I don't know if you tie up. You familiar with

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this case?

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So now.

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When you know he wor a safe police you know

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that right he might he might?

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Uh did you ever every time you you fell a tag,

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you've called it in? I have two? Or don't?

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Don't you don't get credit past?

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All right? When when was the last time of you

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you shot you phil a tag? Know it's been a

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little while, two three months? So okay? Uh?

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The uh?

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Well you know I mean we we're talking. M sure

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you you be at forthcoming.

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I'm not going on from you. I know I'm on that.

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I'm not.

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I'm just curious about about.

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The uh uh you know, I mean you put a

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tea like this, you want let me ask, let me

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tell you something.

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Sure not to cut you off.

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If you would have picked me up today in two

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or three days, you were known about the rest of

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the tags.

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I can't call in the tag.

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I got away twenty out, twenty out, twenty four hours

469
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for plus to call in another tag.

470
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.920
So I reported. I did report myself to the Sheriff's

471
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.200
bar m to call on a tag.

472
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:03.160
Yeah, I took I took off.

473
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.839
And you know if I if I wouldn't, wouldn't have

474
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.519
got picked up today. Two to three days from now,

475
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.200
all my tags were being filled.

476
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.640
But you've already fiel some tags.

477
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:15.480
That's what I'm saying.

478
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.640
What you said, you've already filed your tags. Yeah, so

479
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:21.720
did you call those in now?

480
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.880
So why don't you let me know about them now

481
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.519
so I can put them down on you get credit

482
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.839
for him. Then I don't get my horses out of

483
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.759
the deal. Yeah you do, I do.

484
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.839
I told you I weren't with state. Please, that's a

485
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.319
part of the deal.

486
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.240
Wasn't me down for two more? All right?

487
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.799
And if I have right now, I'm supposed to be

488
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:44.279
on a bureau right now, Okay, I don't use those

489
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.880
three letters. They don't like to use them.

490
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.480
Yeah, I know, I know you. Okay. Yeah.

491
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.440
Now I got two more, and once I get five tags,

492
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.000
it's supposed to be hooked.

493
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:54.160
Now.

494
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.759
The bureau allowed me up to twelve. She gave me

495
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.640
four years, okay to fill them. But if I got

496
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.519
if I got five quick, they put it.

497
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.519
You know, he would lock it in.

498
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.359
I mean now, I didn't say it was one hundred

499
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.480
percent hue, but it would be locked in.

500
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.279
All right, Well, I want to get you credit for

501
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.960
him was uh what's the other two? I'll take the

502
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.079
other two? All right?

503
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:16.880
What's the first one?

504
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:18.720
Bass falls?

505
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.759
And another fella uh on Pride on Pride Road, Yes, sir,

506
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.160
all right, I sir?

507
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.519
What about that? What about the one on uh on

508
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.079
nine fifty nine down there horns be?

509
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:34.319
You got shot a bird shot?

510
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.759
I don't know buck? Did you shoot him? Now? And shit?

511
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.559
You just want you ain't gonna kill buck? Hunted with

512
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.319
buck with fine shot? Yeah? I didn't. I don't know

513
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.559
who I was shot around Pride yesterday. I don't know

514
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.720
what that was about that wouldn't nothing to do with me.

515
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.480
Yeah, well you told me that day on the phone

516
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.000
when you called him. Did you said that was bullshit

517
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:56.000
that you weren't involved in?

518
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.960
Now now? I mean yeah, far than neardy. Yeah, well, at.

519
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:02.720
Least you didn't try to take credit for somebody else

520
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:03.119
you'd work.

521
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.440
I don't know. I mean, ask you about Tommy pass?

522
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:07.880
What about it? Uh?

523
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.720
How'd you how'd you do it? How'd you had you

524
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:11.920
feel tagged with him?

525
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:12.359
You?

526
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:15.960
I haven't called it in yet?

527
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:17.880
Well, no, but I'm giving.

528
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.240
I'm gonna You're gonna get credit for it because I

529
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.240
got it written down. Okay, how do I feel it? Yeah?

530
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:24.359
What's your mean for it?

531
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.480
I mean, how'd you go about slipping up on it?

532
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.880
Or whatever? I think I kind of have a little

533
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.440
work with It's a AGAs. I'm not sure. I rode

534
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.519
around nervous and I'll pull in there shot in hass Godwin?

535
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.880
How far away were you? Pirten? Close?

536
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:42.799
Pretty close?

537
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.559
And what did you use? Shot?

538
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:45.799
You know?

539
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.119
Shot? What what was lovely with? You know? Buck shop?

540
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:55.640
What brand you know that? I don't know. I don't

541
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.119
have a good book shot sure? And then uh, what

542
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.039
what do you do afterwards you just left. Oh yeah,

543
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.200
I got out there. Where'd you go? I mean to loot?

544
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.680
Just went back home? All right?

545
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.160
And then, uh what about in pride?

546
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.519
I made the loop, went back down towards plank road,

547
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.400
back down toward But no, I mean, I meant, how

548
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:22.400
did you feel that time?

549
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.119
I haven't called it in yet, I know, but God

550
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.519
got it written Down'm gonna give you credit for how

551
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.279
did I feel it? Yeah? What a rifle? Yeah?

552
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.759
You just what you riding along?

553
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.119
Oh yes, sir and seeing him out there?

554
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.559
Okay, but to the best of my knowledge, I don't

555
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.519
know if you think knowing him aout the second lifetime

556
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:46.720
the next lifetime.

557
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.440
Well, to the best of my knowledge, all these people, right,

558
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.839
I don't I don't know about it because i'd been

559
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:54.799
there so well, you know.

560
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.680
But uh, let me ask you this, and I should

561
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.720
that that should be three. I shot a deer on

562
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.839
nine sixty on Homerosi's place. Now, I was supposed to

563
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.559
get qualified for two tags. You get two for deer, right,

564
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.759
That's what I'm supposed to get. Okay, I'll get it

565
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:11.880
two furth here.

566
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:16.440
I'm gonna put down arms benow. But deer on nine

567
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.119
sixty yeah, we get that times two now, so we're

568
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.440
gonna get credit for everything. The man on sixty three

569
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:26.519
by the boss Scout.

570
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:27.599
Camp Helson.

571
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.759
You were when you were coming down.

572
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.319
The road, I mean, how did you find him? Okay? Truth?

573
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.519
I had three on that roade, one close to bauck

574
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.720
Holmes's house. It was African American teuh man h the

575
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.000
telephone company. I wasn't gonna dare to shoot African American. Well,

576
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.480
we got no table right now with mis Mary Harris

577
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.960
with her aged sick, and UH. I went down further

578
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.319
between Nissan and Ahead head started school. They had another

579
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.119
guy there, but I was almost positive he's a cop.

580
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.360
He was cutting grass. I think I shot him years ago.

581
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.519
I think he was in the next lifetime. So I

582
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.239
passed him up, and well, if Austic had a old

583
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.679
man out there first, I think he's a vet. I

584
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.079
passed him up and then had another guy to cutting grass,

585
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:20.920
and I think he was a backer cop.

586
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.480
I think I let him go, and I find I

587
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:25.000
went down there and picked the guy on him. He

588
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.320
was I was running out of town nor onally.

589
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.039
What happens when I run out down on these tags,

590
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:34.480
they start picking people up close to him. I'm pretty

591
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.280
should have had one of my buddies already picked up.

592
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:38.840
I think state police had.

593
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:40.239
I'm not, you know, I don't.

594
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.079
Did you go with the man on shoot the tree?

595
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.119
He went, pasted him and passed him up two or

596
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:46.760
three times?

597
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.199
Okay? Yeah? Did you have anybody with you on anyone anything? Yeah?

598
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.920
I don't. I don't. I don't fill anybody in this

599
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.039
count Tennis. So how did you get that long gun

600
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.280
out the window while you're driving?

601
00:34:58.760 --> 00:34:59.000
Rolled?

602
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.360
Running down? Start shooting?

603
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.239
Did you you kept rolling or down?

604
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.280
Yeah? I'm still moving pretty good shooting. I've shot out

605
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:08.280
helicopters before.

606
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.159
Oh yeah, you used to really booting.

607
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.960
In there, don't you? And it ain't the easiest thing

608
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.119
to do. So uh So nobody else gets any credit? No,

609
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:21.880
I don't.

610
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.719
I don't put nobody. I don't even discuss this business

611
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.880
with anybody. Uh I was locked n the colonel, but

612
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.480
that was a new colonel. Now I'm probably not gonna

613
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.079
get locked on him again. I told I one told

614
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.119
you other letting stake please to get me out of here,

615
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.119
or either the Bureau or any agency. Only people I'm

616
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:46.119
getting me out of still the military, that's who you

617
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:47.880
been dealing with pretty much.

618
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:49.440
I was under years ago.

619
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.280
Uh, I kind of just I didn't show back up

620
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:55.760
while he's to other special forces.

621
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:56.960
Uh.

622
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.960
One time I was, Uh, I couldn't. I probably dirty,

623
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.519
been passing drug. Yes, I knew I'd be in the

624
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.880
brig six months. I didn't show up, and I did.

625
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.199
I kind of ship mom serve with him. So you

626
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.199
now I'm trying to get back in with him, to

627
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.480
get back. You know, been back in Good Grace's room.

628
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.480
You were in the search, I guess not legally. We

629
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:20.719
were call it secret service.

630
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.679
You use the same vehicle when you feel them, or

631
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:23.800
you use different ones.

632
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:25.760
I used the truck on the first one in my

633
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.119
old lady's car and the rest of them.

634
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:28.559
What kind of truck does she have?

635
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.719
Because she just got that little white car. She didn't

636
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.519
have nothing to do with it. She was sleeping through

637
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:33.880
all of it.

638
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.199
You what kind of truck do you have?

639
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.800
My little Nissan to pick up? Okay? Orange?

640
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:39.480
Is it Orange?

641
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:40.079
Or town?

642
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:41.000
Or town? Looking?

643
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:41.679
Okay?

644
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.719
Everybody everybody in town and notice me, I was supposed

645
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.400
to feel these tags I ever saw often. What I'm

646
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.320
trying to do right now is get back with the

647
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.960
military and when it's time to feel these tags because

648
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:55.559
I'm un hooked.

649
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.000
I call on hooked every four years. Feel these tags.

650
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.559
I get hooked. If I get to go back with

651
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.679
the military, I go to ten of my business over there.

652
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.960
I don't have to ride around my hometown and shoot anybody.

653
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.119
Right ten of my business over there. Whatever happens over there,

654
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:12.880
I come back. Nobody knows nothing. That's what I'm trying

655
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:13.440
to get back to.

656
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.320
Did you know any of these guys that you feel

657
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:17.719
the tags?

658
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.079
That you know?

659
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.719
Anybody you ever ever shot it? You didn't want knew

660
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.199
a basketball, you knew him.

661
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.840
It was buttered on for him to go.

662
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:27.920
Okay, look at bureau.

663
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.079
When we do the phone costs is the bureau. It's

664
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.599
another thing to say it's it's the richest man in

665
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:37.519
the country.

666
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.519
It's uh, Special Forces, State Police is a ton of.

667
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.000
People on the phone. I don't ask him to call out.

668
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.920
I just get a surprise call bad where it is

669
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:48.440
got you.

670
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.719
Everybody's listening and they and they voted to bash needed

671
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:52.960
to go.

672
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.119
Dal bath in these cases right here, in these big

673
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:57.960
federal cases, a lot of time, they don't want you

674
00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:59.960
to kill a bad guy. They want you to kill

675
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.400
a good one. It's hard to believe Dale Bass was

676
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.440
the one they wanted. He's a good guy and he's got.

677
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:10.639
Nothing wrong in his life. His brother, my cousin or whatever.

678
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:12.800
Kelly Bass, he's always been in out of trouble. He

679
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.960
probably should have been on it too. Uh. Two girls

680
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.000
from state police were stuck up for him, so that

681
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:20.880
time it was left.

682
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.559
Have there ever been any more tags that that that?

683
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.639
Uh you feel not like I'm new to all this.

684
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.639
Uh this is all raca. Uh nothing in the past

685
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.559
that slipt by the wait.

686
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.679
We used to have this years ago before it was

687
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.920
just state police, not agents tied into it. They used

688
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.199
to pick me up and we used to go to

689
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.440
the federal hotel and.

690
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.400
We pulled prisoners out. I'm telling my tags with prisoners.

691
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:51.480
Is this the first non prisoners?

692
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:52.800
No? No man?

693
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.039
Once the agent's tied and as this has been the

694
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.679
wrong vivious, this is a daily case cop coming. I mean,

695
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:04.559
that's a serious But I'm trying to get right out

696
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:06.840
of there right now. In that hotel, some of my

697
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.400
family members are there, been in there a while.

698
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:10.800
Uh.

699
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.119
We got two families tied in Special forces in there.

700
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.760
When I'm trying to get special forces.

701
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:17.840
Back on the.

702
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:20.039
Uh.

703
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.360
We also have a lampscope from the Marines in there. Ah,

704
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:30.519
this is one that uh, I was engaged to a

705
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:31.639
little girl about a year ago.

706
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.000
Her daddy is in the Bureau, and uh this is

707
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:38.079
his grandson. Man.

708
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.519
So uh this this hotel was? It was all right,

709
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.000
I guess you know nothing great about a federal president.

710
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.840
But uh at they turned me in. Aht F I stick.

711
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.960
What's happening on about straw one Bureau, one HC State place? Well,

712
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.880
I guess once after my I can start get tied

713
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:01.800
into it and I can't go home.

714
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.320
Over one lady I didn't work with her, so she

715
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:05.639
went to show me who was the boss. She went

716
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.320
and got on her inmates. I ain't going and she

717
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:08.360
stuck them in a hotel.

718
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.440
All the white men in the hotel have one leg

719
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.159
missing in their pencils. All the black men still upstairs

720
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.119
don't what they want to do. Were basically buy slaves.

721
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.400
In that well.

722
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:23.079
I mean.

723
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:26.519
I got you down and getting your credit. You don't

724
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:27.119
care right now?

725
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:28.960
You I mean I'm comfortably you need.

726
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.920
Water now, I'm good, but you eat it all right?

727
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.800
Didn't put the way better than that heart bend man. Yeah,

728
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.960
well everybody treated you, okay, I ain't nobody bothered you. Hey,

729
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.480
I told you on the phone when I crossed.

730
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:42.920
The past the tail, I ain't gonna give you no trouble.

731
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.199
When they pulled me over, I stopped out of the vehicle. Yes, sir, enough, sir,

732
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.440
I wan't work because that's exactly what you're talking. I'm

733
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:52.480
I'm gonna give you no trouble.

734
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.400
Said you want gonna give the police truck?

735
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.679
They won't do no good? It too well? Why did

736
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:58.440
you want to let's send the military?

737
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.920
Huh a saist something? I want the military to come

738
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:02.239
get you.

739
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:04.960
I was supposed to ask for the military to get

740
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.800
vick on Nathan.

741
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.119
Oh, okay, I got you.

742
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:08.159
I got you.

743
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:12.079
So now that we picked you up, you you need

744
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.639
to talk to the military. What you're saying, I'm asking

745
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.239
for the navy first, Nathan?

746
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:16.679
Okay?

747
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.840
What today you said you when they got behind you,

748
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:23.880
did you did you know that.

749
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.079
Was a police in rain or what? I had a

750
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.400
feeling but there wasn't a cop cars. They flying that

751
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.719
drone all around my house. How'd you know that?

752
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:32.360
Man?

753
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.119
I used to help somebody couse Mica in the day.

754
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.559
Were you in the house, Yeah, I was underneath it.

755
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.039
I was out there hollering at it. Y'all get the

756
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.639
hell out of here. I thought it was the Bandidos

757
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.400
is what I thought it was, because they had one

758
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.400
years ago. I shot it down and I got they got.

759
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.239
Let's talk about man m.

760
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.840
And then when when you got stopped and they and

761
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.800
they got you whatever you had that you had a

762
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:01.840
rifle in the vehicle with you? Then was you going

763
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:03.800
to fill a tag when when they stopped.

764
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:05.599
You, I'm gonna getting ready to your cat for my trucks.

765
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.360
Did you just keep your rifle in there at all times?

766
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.599
Or you was going to the opportunity when my tags

767
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.960
are not failed, I'll list points.

768
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.119
If I leave the house with out of gun, I

769
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:16.519
got you.

770
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.800
Even if I take a old bitchy piece of shotgun

771
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.920
and throw the Nastcabra truck, I still got a.

772
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.000
Gun, right, so you don't. You don't get any druggies. Now.

773
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.480
If I'm going to my hunting ladies, wildie offishers don't

774
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.079
want me riding around with it on the seat.

775
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.559
Let's talk. They want to put it in nastcaber truck.

776
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:35.679
When you get back on the road. Didn't you know

777
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:36.559
you put it on them?

778
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.440
Where's your hunting lace?

779
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.320
Donamond? Sat someone over there Livingston. They ain't watch to

780
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.880
brag about. But somewhere still to go. I just run

781
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.199
round the dollars. I'll tell you what.

782
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.079
We'll let you ship here for a minute if you

783
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:50.599
get out.

784
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.719
I want going Kevin.

785
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:53.360
I gonna talk a.

786
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.079
Minute down Shoe if you need to cut him, if

787
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.039
we think any more questions going, Yes, sir, all right,

788
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.480
sure anything now, I'm would y'all take your time go

789
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.519
on right to go on, man, I'm a little teddy more.

790
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.000
Are you doing that shop please? Nature like some chew

791
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.880
lieutenants from Jerry's office Unity Bay in this parish.

792
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:16.800
Yes, Uh, I wanna take you back so we'll be

793
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:22.119
sure we get all this right. Tommy pass Okay, he

794
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.400
was murdered back in.

795
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:31.480
Uh June something like that. I don't know exactly. I

796
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:32.079
mean even you.

797
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:36.679
Feel tagged when July or whatever? Uh do you remember

798
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.719
anything about that day?

799
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:38.639
About the weather?

800
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:46.599
Yeah, right right in uh June here and you you

801
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:48.400
said you went there in your pickup truck.

802
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:53.639
Yes, casually you pulled up in there and Tommy driveway,

803
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.320
you said, and What did you see when you pulled

804
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:56.760
up there?

805
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.519
When it just outside pulling with his truck? He was

806
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.880
we look like he was working on his truck, moving

807
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.000
stuff around. How did this truck look come in?

808
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:09.119
Wasn't you know anything?

809
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:10.559
Don't see anything about it?

810
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:15.119
Shot ing that take off four whel drive? Was it

811
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.639
jacked up or into four drive? Kind of kind of top?

812
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:19.199
No?

813
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.440
I mean like it? Oh no, no, no, no, even

814
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.800
like road Worth. I mean he had the hood like I.

815
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.719
I didn't pull out. Was it was it edgy runner?

816
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.639
He just run listen all right?

817
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.079
And so then what you did? I mean, did he

818
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:34.440
know you?

819
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:35.079
No?

820
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:35.440
Y am?

821
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:36.719
Did?

822
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.519
What do you say when you can't walk it up?

823
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:39.679
Uh?

824
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.920
First apart to tennis driveway, I was having a sight

825
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:44.840
dots about it. I said, not other than I want

826
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.760
to do it? Mm and uh finally I backed up

827
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:49.800
in there. I just told hiant need some are retire.

828
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:54.519
He just he him know the lady okay. When I

829
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:56.519
let him walk off from the cold, I shout him.

830
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.280
So he stayed near your truck and went back into

831
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.199
your truck and right got you down.

832
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.400
He was walking back to his he walked he turning there.

833
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.679
He probably walked twenty steps they walked coming around and

834
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:09.159
shot him.

835
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.559
Yeah you didn't you shot him? He standing up? Tell yeah,

836
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.880
what happened? He dropped? It was it was killed shodow?

837
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.840
How how was he when he when he hit the.

838
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.039
Ground where I didn't stare? I didn't when he hit

839
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.199
the ground, you didn't, So you don't know.

840
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.440
I don't know what kind of pattern he got frost palace,

841
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:33.440
but I would imagine the majority of the shot got him.

842
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:38.239
Did he he collapsed? Then he collapsed? We was he

843
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.840
like kind of down on his knees or something? Wow,

844
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.119
he dropped When he dropped, I got out of that.

845
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.639
He fell back? What he feeling?

846
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:45.920
Uh?

847
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.159
I don't think he was probably in the middle of

848
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.199
falling when I was in the middle of laga was

849
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:54.280
uh what would he work?

850
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:54.719
You know?

851
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.599
I said a T shirt. I always had suspenders on.

852
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.239
You have a ball cap on? You think.

853
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.559
I think he may have h You said it was raining.

854
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.920
Was it raining when you were at his house? Or

855
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:11.920
just sh it rained before?

856
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.480
After? It was in between stone but it was just

857
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:15.719
dress on life open him?

858
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:18.559
Did you see anybody else around there?

859
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:20.719
And just you just.

860
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.320
All right?

861
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:23.639
Well?

862
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.639
I let him pass twice that day I seen him

863
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:31.960
one time by the gravel pit. Its kind of whim deal.

864
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:33.679
Was he I was looking for something else?

865
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:34.440
I guess the.

866
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.719
Gravel pit up by powers.

867
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.320
Yeah, he walked OUTND I seen him then I could

868
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:39.920
have shot him fire six times a day.

869
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.719
Was he walking or he was in his beating for

870
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.519
na he was standing up with He's standing around when well,

871
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.960
we're all the seame. I'm pretty familiar with that area.

872
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.599
Just I went down the Graive road by where his

873
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:52.079
bit is.

874
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.679
Okay, Yeah, what it did end?

875
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:56.400
Well, I see him going in there, and then I

876
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:58.320
went down down there and see him coming out.

877
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.000
Did you did you go have power store or that day?

878
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:04.400
Yeah?

879
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:11.400
That's now flood gates Not okay, because you know, I

880
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.880
know Tommy used to hang out both of the places.

881
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.800
Oh yeah, every morning talking love to talk.

882
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.079
I didn't know if you went in there after him.

883
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.480
I was in the store after not not to build

884
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.800
a tag distri. Oh have I talked to him in

885
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:26.480
the store? You've been talking to in the store for

886
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.840
the past ten years? Okay, he's normally therefore they open

887
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.360
in the morning. What was the last time you you

888
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:34.679
talked to him prior to that?

889
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.119
Who I mean maybe seeing him at the store and

890
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.280
they e's going, or see him at the auto parture so.

891
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.199
Far from visiting, and I ain't never I never hung

892
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.480
anything like that. Did you see him at the auto

893
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:50.159
course that day?

894
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:56.400
No, it's happened in the morning. Oh okay, well, uh

895
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.440
earlier you telling me on the the guy sixty three?

896
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:03.000
Yeah?

897
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:07.639
Uh different, chesty? Yeah you should. You had passed by

898
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:08.920
him several times that day.

899
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.280
I passed by the several time in the last couple

900
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.840
of months. Okay, so you've been you knew he was

901
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.119
out there fairly often or whatever? I was the fighting.

902
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.119
They wanted me to shoot a woman? Tell the truth?

903
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.800
How come? Because it's just one of them traps.

904
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.159
I think they didn't, Uh right?

905
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:34.360
I told him fly it on the phone.

906
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.960
I ain't shooting an African American. Let's go cause some problem.

907
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.440
And I ain't gonna kill the one, that's all. I

908
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:42.960
don't be a white many.

909
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.000
How I did shoot a deer.

910
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.239
Yeah, it would have been nice if I had a

911
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:48.599
bunch of year and I heard, I could have shot

912
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:51.400
him off and filled all attacks.

913
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:53.079
So uh.

914
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:55.320
You uh.

915
00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:58.559
Mad?

916
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:04.480
On sixty three that day, the day field attack, you

917
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.440
went behind and turned around and came back and were

918
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.559
shooting while you.

919
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:09.679
Were headed back to home.

920
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:12.840
Did I shot on the way back home? Yeah?

921
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:12.920
You?

922
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.840
So where did you turn around? About three or four

923
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.199
driveways past him? Do you remember? Uh?

924
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:21.599
Uh?

925
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:26.519
Do you remember any other cars around what you were

926
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.960
out there? No, that's that's another fact too. I tried

927
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.360
to shoud have no cars coming.

928
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.599
I mean, do you remember any like when you're going

929
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.960
down the road going there? Oh? There cars up and

930
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:40.800
down the road all day.

931
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:43.599
So you just make sure it's if I said two

932
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.119
cars going away behind me, I just pulled over away.

933
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:50.599
Not the cars passed on that evening at on sixty three?

934
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:55.000
What vehicle you in? I was in love lace car, honestly?

935
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.719
Which one is that? A little white niece saw white

936
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.800
kness high? Alright? And uh.

937
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:05.639
How many times did you shoot?

938
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.159
I'll say three or four? Think I missed him in

939
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:15.199
the first shot three or four down, I was still rolling.

940
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.400
I was probably still going fifteen miles up, So you was,

941
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.199
you was still mobile when you followed.

942
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.920
It was still roller when you shoot.

943
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.559
Okay, cause my pritle was a little different from the

944
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.599
hang out. I guess how were you How did you

945
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:31.519
position the wheel? He was holding him what you need

946
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:32.679
or I would.

947
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.880
Full on the brake, slow him down and that shitting

948
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:35.239
like that?

949
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.679
Okay, he just leaned out to one thing and just yes,

950
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.360
just shot out. And you think he fired privent three

951
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:44.800
to four times? I think four 'em and you missed

952
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.559
him once. I think I missed him first.

953
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.480
Shit he did he those you were shooting at him,

954
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.840
He looked at you or I think of you gout.

955
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:53.320
He was weeding and I don't think he knew where

956
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:56.199
the first shot come from. And another three hitting hard.

957
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.159
You saw him when he fell out here?

958
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:00.760
Do you follow?

959
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.320
It's fast phase down or I'll say probably clasped on

960
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.519
his side. Okay, there's one to deal a shot quick.

961
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.159
I had to grab you down with him. Yeah, he

962
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.400
was weed you so what it looked like to me?

963
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.119
Okay? And I didn't stop, you know, you could just roll.

964
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:18.840
I was still.

965
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.639
I probably want him thirty miles an hour, forty down

966
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.960
to about fifteen, slowed down quick throughout. The one that

967
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.800
missed the fire shot fired three more. You tell I

968
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.760
hit him and hit him up, hit him wrong on there?

969
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.239
Do you have a you have a scope on their rifle.

970
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.880
And no open science? Yeah, he yet love. Yeah, a

971
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:36.440
bad shot.

972
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.360
Should have hit him up in there. Where do you

973
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.760
get Tommy Toddy?

974
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:41.559
You chest shot?

975
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.079
He got him in the chairs?

976
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:44.079
Uh?

977
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:52.480
Did you? Uh? Have you changed cell phone recently? Been

978
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.360
down the same phone for how long years? Ye?

979
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.840
All right, Well, I don't know much about what happened

980
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:03.760
in Pride, but he's killing boored?

981
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:05.360
Does he asked you some question?

982
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.280
That's pretty much why I hed hed, you know, on

983
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.039
the evening. Of course he was nineteen. Do you remember

984
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.119
that day how that went? I wasn't shoty, yes.

985
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.840
Sir, really you don't understand past by standing out there,

986
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.800
had a green shirt on when I fired twice and

987
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:22.199
hit him.

988
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.679
Did you what direction you were on?

989
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:27.519
Uh?

990
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.119
Touched plank road to watch plank road? Did you go

991
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.199
past past him, turned around, came up, shot him and

992
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:34.880
went on? Where'd you turn around?

993
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.920
Probably up there and uh the last little road before

994
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.159
you get the Pride park Robinson? No, No, on the

995
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:51.000
other side of the road. Uh, jerk, jerk yet lat Yeah,

996
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.480
drinker lays some right in there. Okay, did you sit

997
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:56.440
there for a little while?

998
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:56.800
No?

999
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.480
I seen him when I heard around, spun around there.

1000
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.840
Wasn't that come here? What?

1001
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:03.239
Uh?

1002
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.199
What vehicle. You were in that same little car, a

1003
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:14.559
little white Nissan. Yeah, what did you do with h?

1004
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.800
Be checked? Uh? Cases arsinoe?

1005
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:23.039
No, I don't have no legal But what what'd you do?

1006
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.880
Just thrown one so long? Yeah? Just throw on the bushes?

1007
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:29.679
Where about on sixty three? You st they should have

1008
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:30.760
been bouts all on the ground.

1009
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:32.760
Oh you threw him out of sixty.

1010
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:34.320
Three that should have been. I couldn't find any in

1011
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:35.280
the car. I found one.

1012
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.360
The other three should have been on the road. I

1013
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.480
could hear them hitting the road from the car. Wasn't

1014
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:42.239
when you went? When they did fall in the car?

1015
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:42.880
Yeah?

1016
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.360
Where did you throw them? Somewhere around the house?

1017
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.320
Or I throw 'em in the bushes? Throw them out

1018
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.400
the window as you were driving? Yeah, let's get it

1019
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:50.679
right on.

1020
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:57.079
We're by the one on prior foot accent is the

1021
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.039
one locations found mad. I didn't find a woman in

1022
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.199
the car. H So you found one? Caught on you

1023
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:06.920
fire twice? Yeah? Okay, he should have been should have

1024
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.679
been a shevel. What can you Where was he standing

1025
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:11.880
when you when you shot it?

1026
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.639
Standing numbers by his driveway, by the dish. He he

1027
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.159
had anything in his hand or anything like that I

1028
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.000
a pulfsprayer or something, a pump sprayer, black people's weed easy,

1029
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.039
you know stuff like that. Yeah, sir, did you see

1030
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:26.960
anybody near his house?

1031
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.519
Anything? Or did you stop with that one? Or you

1032
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:31.079
kept wrong?

1033
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:31.440
I don't know.

1034
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:32.320
I'm still rolling.

1035
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:34.800
So you about the same thing about ten or fifteen

1036
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.960
miles an hour, and you just he dropped.

1037
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.960
Flying on him and he dropped on his on his buck.

1038
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.320
I said, well, so he dropped on his butt.

1039
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.039
Yeah, and then he leaned over to I guess his

1040
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.239
right side, and it might have been his left cause

1041
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.760
I was facing and I didn't when I shoot, I

1042
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.639
don't stop. I don't I've been shot back at before.

1043
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:57.440
I don't stick around stop.

1044
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:02.280
I don't stop. So when you when you saw him fall, well,

1045
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.000
I don't know if you singing for you? We saw

1046
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.400
a fall on his butt? Yeah, and then turn off?

1047
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.199
So you just rolled and kept on? Were you speedy

1048
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:11.159
or you just rolled out castle?

1049
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:11.920
Oh?

1050
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.639
I hopked up to about sixty real quick. About sixty?

1051
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.239
Did you passed Pride one? Stop? No, I went to

1052
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:18.960
the other way. I was going towards plank. Oh, so

1053
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:20.239
you was going towards the plank?

1054
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:24.119
Yeah, okay, So you just rolled on straight to your house. Yeah,

1055
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:29.320
so you went to up Pride Fort that's room plank road. No, No,

1056
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.960
I cut through one of them gravel roads. What you

1057
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.760
remember which one morning? Scott Baro roads and all that. Oh,

1058
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.519
you went to Skybald cut through all.

1059
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:38.199
Right, you didn't got back on the road. Okay, So

1060
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:39.840
you went to Scott Boyd. Yeah, I didn't get on

1061
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:44.559
a plane. About how long it took you went straight off? Yeah?

1062
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:48.639
Did you stopped anywhere before you went there? None? None

1063
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:50.880
of this time about shotow, I didn't stop anywhere. So

1064
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.159
that morning this happened.

1065
00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:00.719
My accident happened around about five thirty one around that time.

1066
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.800
Do you remember that at the time, now right around there,

1067
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:08.159
I'd say about six o'clock literally five thirty okay, But

1068
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:09.880
prior to that, did.

1069
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:14.000
You know this guy? You knew who you were targeting

1070
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:18.119
or you he had a green shirt on? Okay, so

1071
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:22.920
you looked for somebody with a green shirt. Each side's

1072
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:27.400
got a different colored shirt, whatever color, right hit that's

1073
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:37.000
who gets a point. Oh okay, so you it's a book.

1074
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.320
But the one one lady's got blue shirt, she's an

1075
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:43.679
African American. If I see a blue shirt. I hope

1076
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:48.280
you're kind of start up little better than you. Yeah, okay,

1077
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.559
Now the guys that.

1078
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:58.360
Will use to these incidents, did you did you put

1079
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.679
them better safe or if you're just basic, put 'em

1080
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:01.920
on a palco around your house?

1081
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:04.679
There's dround my house? Yes? Right? Where was that? Where

1082
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.639
was that? Three? Uh? Three point five? Over? Be leaning

1083
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.079
against the wall in the house in the what room?

1084
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:17.079
Then in the then? Yeah? So do you have boy

1085
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:17.719
in one of 'em?

1086
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:18.000
Right?

1087
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.519
Just one? Just one? What about the rights? Which where

1088
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.320
would they be in the house? What was it in

1089
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.239
the car when they started? Me? I mean the shot

1090
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.000
down something. I'm leaning against the door front landing next

1091
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:36.719
to the door, the front door. M is that your

1092
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:38.920
wife or you? No, let's just take her out front

1093
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.440
up move them. A few months ago and you said

1094
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.960
she hadn't known anything that was going on. Yeah, she

1095
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.199
ain't tired this at all. I did take her car.

1096
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.559
While she was sleeping. Is that that place in your place?

1097
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.800
Right? Yes? Sir? When did you get it? I bought it?

1098
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:56.079
No?

1099
00:57:56.280 --> 00:58:00.960
Three right the days that you were of these incidents?

1100
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.840
I know me, I don't I feel uncomfortable when I

1101
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:05.519
leave my house without my phone?

1102
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:11.079
That you have your phone with you when you with

1103
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.840
these incidents, you didn't bring it with it. If I

1104
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:19.880
do pull the battery out of it, why you do that? Man?

1105
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.239
We can't track it.

1106
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.960
So you can't track it. So that's that's one of

1107
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.159
the reasons you don't take it. That's just the leader

1108
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:30.679
at home. So if phone turns up, y'all, anybody tell

1109
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.800
if you pull the battery out out and you don't,

1110
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.760
better off, just leave the phone at home, just the

1111
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:36.800
GPS to fix it.

1112
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.119
If there's a routine thing that you do all the

1113
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.000
time when you leave the house, that just when you

1114
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.920
what the fall, when you feel just the tags. If not,

1115
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.119
I'm only working. I need my phone for business.

1116
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.559
Your business pretty look for Tippy make pretty good money

1117
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:53.559
during the flood.

1118
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:54.320
I did pretty good.

1119
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.079
If you did any of these guys maybe Thomas House

1120
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.519
or you know he's but the gal on private what else?

1121
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:06.679
And you didn't know him at all? Never made Did

1122
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.639
you see it on the news? Oh yeah? How did

1123
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:16.920
that feel? Serious? Bass? Did you ever feel like calling

1124
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:19.440
prior to you calling this?

1125
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:23.360
Uh corte, I knew it was adding enough, specially turn

1126
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:27.840
on my tag then, So today you you have a

1127
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:29.280
rifle Lincoln in your car?

1128
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:32.159
Right where you going to champ to field? Tag? No,

1129
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.440
I was going to I was going to uh the

1130
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:37.960
all the parts to get a ready of their capt

1131
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:41.719
for my truckle. But you you was coming up though,

1132
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.519
right what that's another tag? Yes, sir? Once I got

1133
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:50.000
these five and this says not to get me hooked.

1134
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.559
Let me see you got three right now? The dear

1135
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.920
count for two? Yeah, yeah, I got it.

1136
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:56.599
I got it down.

1137
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.639
I see you got that's fine. So you you got

1138
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:05.440
five tass about five tasks? Hmm?

1139
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.760
So that you clean your cars out after this, so

1140
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:12.119
you just what you may call it like when you

1141
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.840
get home, you can go look for cations in the car.

1142
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:17.719
If you wipe it down, I want to do you

1143
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:18.639
wipe it down.

1144
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:21.039
Just look for the cases, maket you're in no cases?

1145
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.320
Oh lady get pulled over and they looking at her cars.

1146
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.159
She don't overtail's going home? You you think you remember

1147
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.280
where you next throwing the cases? So you're throwing out

1148
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:28.719
of the way.

1149
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.920
I throw them down. Thrown a couple out there't wanna driveway,

1150
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.280
so you think you may ask them down? You drive away.

1151
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.119
There might be a couple throwing around there from what's

1152
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:41.159
swimming from? Uh?

1153
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:46.320
My den from dancing in on the nineteen on five collection. Uh,

1154
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.159
I don't know my problem of us and we're drawn today.

1155
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.239
I throw them out on the drive away.

1156
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.840
Yeah, there's probably a couple of right now. Way all

1157
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.159
you look for him or to the waves is pretty high.

1158
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:03.880
Let me ask you this, what about a comic bash?

1159
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:09.119
Hou h? I got rid of that shell? What to

1160
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.719
do with it? Burn it? How come it landed him

1161
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.559
back of my truck? Oh? Did it? Yeah? I didn't

1162
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:17.760
know til a couple of days later.

1163
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.159
Uh stuck by the tail game?

1164
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.559
Where'd you burning it? Uh? This firepower? Hudhu s so

1165
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:25.920
that she be in the firepower? Our thirty brass? Or

1166
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:28.440
what in the trash? H? Because I stung? Got it?

1167
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.599
You say you had nothing to do with the honer shoot?

1168
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.119
Uh both corn me? I was probably ain't bout fire

1169
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.119
una killing his ass. I know that you have anything

1170
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.599
to do with that. You say he's your friend. I

1171
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.159
get ah, I I ain't your friends. I know him.

1172
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.760
Did you shoot at Yeah? I shot at him? So

1173
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:49.920
you did shoot that? Yeah? I want to mess him.

1174
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:50.599
You ain't aim it?

1175
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.000
The Yeah, you really didn't wanna hear it, cause I

1176
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:55.360
could tell him, no good, I missed him right, I

1177
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:57.920
shot tell her right twice he got ricocheted cause a

1178
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.559
I can tell the whey you the way you shoot?

1179
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:03.280
I didn't want to say.

1180
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.559
I didn't want to say that first because I got

1181
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:07.440
a feeling that might be a tagg if the woman

1182
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:07.960
a filling on.

1183
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.000
Well, we're not gonna you mentioned that, and that's that's

1184
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.320
the that's the federal people too. I'm not gonna mention

1185
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:15.559
any So how many times did you fire him? Twice?

1186
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:18.119
What you were driving? You little car?

1187
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:20.559
Same thing, the white car. So he wasn't in the

1188
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:23.239
truck this time. No, don't tell me Bass of them

1189
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.159
than the car. So explain here too, shot the deer

1190
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:29.880
have the call, So explain explaining the situation with Thomas Bass.

1191
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.519
I mean that Toimey Bass buck hop humpy. What happened?

1192
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.280
That is out there walker in the morning with a

1193
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.920
green shot on and he got close to a road.

1194
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:46.199
Did he see you? Yeah? Twice he hit the ground.

1195
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.159
He'd tell it wasn't a good shot. But I missed him.

1196
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:51.719
You pretty much tried to scare him. He saw me.

1197
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.840
He ain't gon kill anye noo shot though he didn't

1198
01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:01.159
killing rifle. But why why you weren't trying to fill attack? Oh?

1199
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.239
I was trying to feel attacked, so you look. I

1200
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:04.760
was trying to feel that you were looking for him

1201
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:08.159
at that so he was a target. It was how

1202
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:10.760
long you have been looking for so as a singing

1203
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.840
that day prior to now? Not for your son of

1204
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.679
the sing? How did you make some passive mind or

1205
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:17.559
one or two?

1206
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:23.840
Did we have a long plans of short mans? He

1207
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:28.119
had short song and on short Yeah? And uh was

1208
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.119
he right there by that h ain't right here by

1209
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:31.360
that trainer by training?

1210
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:37.360
Yeah? What happened in that case? I don't know. Probably

1211
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.320
on the roads or you lost out and you didn't

1212
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.000
go back. So you basically how you should you? Basically

1213
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:46.000
the same deal? Still rolling and shot pint of style

1214
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:47.000
pace only.

1215
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.920
Got him, he thought, uh, he thought, uh, he missed

1216
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:56.199
and got him rick ship, you come.

1217
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:59.039
Here to be these nailed the tent on the trailer. Okay.

1218
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.280
Then he dropped. Now I figured I figured he might

1219
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.199
have got hit once or twice? Did did he did

1220
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:08.800
he drop? He dropped and took out my first rocket shot?

1221
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.559
I think that I think the first one I shot

1222
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:14.519
twice so fast. The first one you already heard hit

1223
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:16.599
to ten. I think he was spinning around. And that's

1224
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.199
when the second one fire too quick when I shot.

1225
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:19.599
Him do one?

1226
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:20.559
And then what happened?

1227
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.280
Oh, he hit the ground and then he was running

1228
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.440
like a football player on the ground getting running the trailer.

1229
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:29.920
Why you did shoot again? Too much time? Too much time?

1230
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:31.840
It was morning time on the traffic.

1231
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.159
I don't know. Maybe I was a little nervous. When

1232
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:37.920
which ride did you take on that day? Straight back

1233
01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:42.119
down sixty three? Once it out, you didn't you headed

1234
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.639
toward the flint Kitts when shut no, I went, I

1235
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.159
wasn't got gas that Paradise up. The gas light was

1236
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:50.840
on the car. What about to run out? So I'm

1237
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:53.840
gonna fill up with gas? And all the way back

1238
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.119
he was gonna spot it. So you want to fill

1239
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:56.960
up gas? Yeah?

1240
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:03.559
First, Terri show you went to Paradise truck stop out

1241
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.079
there on sixteen, Yes, sir, I saw it. You got

1242
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.360
gas yes, in a little white car.

1243
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:08.960
Yes.

1244
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:11.719
And then did you use a Casher credit card?

1245
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.480
Uh? Probably cash? Yeah?

1246
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:21.000
And then you uh when you when you came back,

1247
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.639
you coming east on nine fifty five.

1248
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:33.519
I mean, let's say it runs east or west. I

1249
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:35.280
guess I was going west if I was going home?

1250
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:40.760
Okay, and you saw Tom, I mean, uh, but hey,

1251
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:46.519
but passed him turn around, passed him, turn around and

1252
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:49.159
then shot Yes twice.

1253
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.039
Twice back to pie. Dumb, dumb, what' set up? You

1254
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:59.719
just curious when you when you shoot, do you wing

1255
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:01.239
for at the passenger's side?

1256
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:02.239
I was on you.

1257
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.920
You pulled it out. The woman wire about the wonder

1258
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.679
I want a barrel might be out to wander. My

1259
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:09.960
humble is still stuck in the court. My hand might

1260
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.199
be out to one. Just say no stuff and prop

1261
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.239
up on the window. Yeah, they take a shot on

1262
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.039
you trying to so you take them away. This is

1263
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.519
a quick ordeal. You're shooting off the road. This is

1264
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:21.400
another thing too.

1265
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.039
If I would shoot somebody every couple of years, I

1266
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:28.159
wouldn't have come on hooked.

1267
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:30.679
I came on hook because I didn't shooting nobody in

1268
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.920
like five years. This is why I came on Hope.

1269
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.800
And I have a certain quick amount of time before

1270
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.880
fatal agents make me. They don't want me pull They

1271
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.840
want me to shoot straight off the highway. No slip

1272
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:47.599
up on no body's house, nothing like that. It's got

1273
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.079
to be shooting for a blacktop, shot for the count.

1274
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.719
That would be more. Yeah, so that it gets way horder.

1275
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.280
It ain't like you pull down there and catch somebody

1276
01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:57.440
in the country and you of course not to cut

1277
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.920
you off. You say you hadn't filled tag prior to

1278
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.320
this in five years probably so you might have you

1279
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:07.000
five years ago?

1280
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:11.159
What happened? Anything happened? You feel any tags? I feel

1281
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:13.719
tags over the years when you touch it? Can you

1282
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:17.320
name up? Now? You have to take that up? Yeah?

1283
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:19.000
That year that's ternal or something. I don't know.

1284
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.239
So I used to get my tags, like I told you,

1285
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:28.840
out of the federal hotel. Get some presidents, take care

1286
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:29.360
of business.

1287
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.000
Yup. You have to feel the.

1288
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.800
Tag using a hangout if it hasn't been a long time,

1289
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.639
don't I have a hangdoun you don't want to hang up?

1290
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:42.400
Do whatn't want at all?

1291
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.840
What the last time you want? Last time I had one?

1292
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:48.039
I shot my packer off with it. H forty girls

1293
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:49.719
at State Place can come to my house and get

1294
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:50.280
my pecker?

1295
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:50.480
What?

1296
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:51.440
Yeah?

1297
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:52.079
So?

1298
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:54.760
Uh so I took my gun. Well, it's coming to

1299
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:56.239
get it anyhow. What kind of gun was it?

1300
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:56.880
I don't know.

1301
01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.039
I don't even remember it spent on while I told

1302
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:03.280
you it was strange, and it's really about to get

1303
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:07.840
wild in this case once this goes to trial. So

1304
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:09.800
I'm gonna go ahead. I'm going to wrap up this

1305
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.119
episode and we'll peek it up next week with the trial,

1306
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.680
the conviction, and the retrial of Ryan Sharp. And if

1307
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.279
that confuses you, don't worry. I'm going to fill you

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01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.399
in on all of this craziness next week. Thank you

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01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.239
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01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.520
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Line Shackle Chaine. Oh weesome, Girdie, it's calling my name.

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There is no mercy and it's been a tentery juice

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as the hill Stream game Wrangle three.

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I'm here be.

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By mere to die.

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Inside these walls, inside the wild, and when.

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More girls I know it's sold.

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Boody Angle

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Obody a