Out of the Shadows: New Developments in the New Orleans Jail Escape

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1:39 I'm Jim Chapman, and I got something a little bit different for you today. Of course, we brought you several episodes on the escapes out of New Orleans, where ten individuals escaped from Orleans Parish jail, and I was honored to go on a podcast with Kieran Challa. Her podcast is called Louisiana Unfiltered, and we discussed up to the second details on the two remaining escapees who have yet to be caught. It was a really informative discussion with myself and Kieran, who is an Emmy Award winning investigative journalist here in South Louisiana. So here it is that interview in full with Louisiana Unfiltered's Kieran Chala.

2:43 It's a story that originated right here in our backyard and has now garnered national attention. A prison escape, but it's not just one inmate. Instead, it's ten inmates, all escaping at one time. Two of them remain on the run, and I'll even say one of them is almost teasing law enforcement by posting pictures and videos to social media. How were ten people able to escape the parish prison in Orleans Parish. We're going to delve into that. We're also going to break down how they initially thought it was eleven inmates who escaped. I'm Karen Challa and this is Louisiana Unfiltered. Welcome back everyone. This week, we are joined by my fellow podcaster and friend producer as well of multiple podcasts. We're gonna say exposed for now, but he's got several podcasts as well, Jim Chapman. Thank you for joining us, Thank you for having me.

4:13 I'm excited to talk today. Where do we start, Jim? I feel like we almost need to start with how does this even happen? Ten people at one time? Yeah, that's the question. And as much as you and I would love the answer to that question, it seems like the entire country wants the answer to that question. As you said in your intro, this has become national news, especially considering they have not all been caught yet. Yeah. In fact, Jim, I'll even tell you a personal story. Obviously, we're bent roots based, and in the beginning when all this happened, we did not cover it. It's New Orleans. Uh.

4:53 But the day that they discovered it happened, NewsNation texted and said are you covering this? Yeah? Like it made national news immediately. There was no let's wait till the following week. This same day, obviously, we're talking about it now because what it's been three weeks and you still have inmates who are on the run. Still on the run. And you know, when this first hit the news, it was not just the Orleans pairis sheriff coming out and holding a press conference. The governor came out, Yes, the Attorney General, Liz Muriel came out with a press conference. This was a big deal. These were not people that were arrested for jaywalking busting out of city jail. This was people for murder, suspicion of murder, rape.

5:45 There was a lot of accusations involved, and as you mentioned in the intro. Initially they weren't even sure how many got out. That just baffles me. How do you not know? And I understand we're going to break all this down, gen, but I understand that in today's day and age, a lot of parish prisons and obviously we're parishes here in Louisiana, but county jails and prisons across the country. They're all struggling with a lack of money to update the prisons. And when I say update, I don't mean just have enough for the capacity. I mean for the infrastructure to be improved. Yes, I feel like that's half the problem.

6:26 But staffing wise, how do you miscount? Yeah? Well, and there was a lot that went wrong here that we're discovering in your absolutely correct budget. Concerns are a concern. The last thing any says that wants to pay for is prisons. Last thing they want to pay for because you're housing, you're paying tax dollars for someone that broke the law and they get thrown in prison, they're convicted of awful crimes, and you don't want to have to pay for that. Nope, something that you have to do as a society is keep up your presence, because things like this can happen. So initially when this happened, it made all the news and it was eleven people that escaped. Then they discovered that one person was actually moved to another part of the prison and did not escape.

7:17 It's embarrassing, it really is. We all know the history of an OPD and that I personally feel. And again this is completely Kier and Charl's opinion, not a fact that the reason the governor got involved, the reason the attorney general got involved is because how do we put makeup on this black guy? Yeah? Yeah, and we have to hurry up and get a hold of it. A quick catch up on exactly how this happened. Initially, these these convicts escaped jail. They went through a hole in a They actually pulled the back of a toilet off, made a hole went through that. Whenever a gate, they were able to get out of their cells because the locks they were so antiquated, they were able to bust the locks in one way or another. Now, they did have some help on the inside. They arrested an individual allegedly who helped them, and this individual was supposedly threatened they were going to shank him if he did not turn the water off. He was not a correctional officer.

8:22 He was a guy that worked maintenance at the prison, and he turned the water off and that enabled them to make their escape. This was planned. This was not something on the spart of a moment in the video. When you watch the video, you see these guys just tugging on these gates and busting locks, and yeah, that's a budget problem. But the other problem was, as you just mentioned the count, they were on the loose for like hours before they even realized it. And that's a long time. That's a major issue. Yeah, that's a long time. You can get a long way with hours, Yeah, which is what they were discovering. A lot of these have made it a long way. A few of them they were able to catch. You know, a couple of them were strolling right there in French Quarter, rolling down Bourbon Street, and facial recognition, thankfully in New Orleans recognizing these guys and caught them essentially.

9:19 I know one was caught in Houston. Yeah, two two were caught in Houston. And I laughed because I've got friends out in that direction, and I think we're going to talk about this one of the escaped inmates who's still out there and is posting videos and pictures. The joke is, okay, Houston PD, get your stuff together, they're one of the best in the country. That let's figure out where they are. And they jokingly said, we already caught two for them. How many more you want us to catching? That's why I chuckled, Yeah it is. And they actually went on a pretty major car chase to catch those guys, and what they were finding out and discovering at the beginning was there was a lot of help on the outside. The Governor, Jeff Landry came out and did his press conference. Of course, the police knew these these guys are likely going to have some help.

10:14 They're gonna call friends, family, and he said, if you're caught, we're not holding back. We're going to charge you to the furthest extent of the law for helping these guys, which I found very interesting in luck rewards right now, fifty thousand dollars for the final two information leading to their arrest. It's a lot a lot of people will look at you and say you're my boy, But for fifty g's I'm calling the police. Yeah. Absolutely, you've got the governor saying this, yeah, but then when they're getting arrested as an accomplice, and this is one of the reports that we covered, the guy got out for a fifteen thousand dollars bond. Remember you only have to pay twelve percent. That's just over fifteen hundred dollars. Right, So you can say one thing, governor, but the judges are doing something completely different.

11:06 Yeah, yeah, well, and you said it right. At the end of the day, it's up to the judge just set that bond. I don't know what they're actually being charged with, these accomplices. And if you know that fifteen thousand dollars is about the max of what you can charge someone, it may be in that position, which means we needs different laws for people who are aiding into betting fugitives really in a lot of cases, making it possible for these guys to escape. Ten of them, folks, wrap your mind around them. And that's what I was going to say. So let's start. We keep almost teasing the viewership the listeners that this is what all we're going to talk about. Let's start with the basics. It's May sixteenth, ye and around eight o'clock is when officials learn, hey, we're missing. They initially set eleven in metes, right.

11:56 Could you imagine making that call to the you know the share No, yeah, me neither. And as soon as that hit the wire there was maybe a It wasn't long and between the time they discovered them missing and the sheriff coming out and reporting it, so they were on top of it pretty quick, which is important because the public then could be on the lookout. Right, you release pictures of these guys, these are who they are, you need to look for them. So it wasn't something where they could say, Okay, how can we spend this so that it doesn't look so bad? Because the more time you delay in letting the public and know those guys are out, the more time they have to commit another crime, and the more time they have to hide.

12:39 And like you already said, these were some pretty armed and dent. Well I don't know armed dangerous and for all we know they may be armed mail. But these are some dangerous men. All of them. And they weren't in, like you said, for stealing a dog. No, you're in for murder. And that was another big problem. They were in a lighter security wing, So you had some that one of them was involved in it. Had a conviction for second degree murder, which likely was a plea de deol down to second degree. He was involved in a shooting in the French quarter that killed somebody. That guy was on the escaped and he was in a lighter wing of the prison as far as security is.

13:26 Concerned, and second degree is life behind bars. Right, And they definitely had some splaining to do on why these guys were in medium and lighter security wings of that prison and Jim Jail. A lot of that conversation hasn't even started yet because the focus is still trying to figure out where these last two inmates are. Derrick Groves who is one of the two inmates still missing. He's twenty eight years old. He was convicted of second degree murder. He is still on the loose now. He has not been seen since the day of the escape, has not been seen by the public. So wherever he's hiding, he's in a good hiding spot if you will. No sightings.

14:11 But the second guy is not the. Smartest Antoine Massy and yeah, he can't stay off social media. This guy has actually almost become a meme a character, if you will. Some people are placing bets as if this was Las Vegas on who's gonna get caught first? Is he gonna get away with this and never be seen again? That The thing that is so intriguing about Massy is that he is a guy that could not blend in anywhere in the world. He has face tattoos. If he was standing in front of you right now, you would know right away that's Antoine Massey. The fact that he is still on the loose is shocking enough because of his identifying features. But one makes it really wild is this is his third escape. Yeah, he's an escape artist.

15:04 He knew what he was doing. And I guess again, some of these answers are gonna come out later. I almost want to know who's the brains behind this, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's him. It very well could be. And you know, he was charged with domestic abuse and auto theft. That's what he was in uh, that's what he was in Orleans Paris jail for. He had not been convicted yet. But the scary thing here is, assuming he is guilty of those charges, there's someone out there that he domestically abused that, you know. I yeah, I feel for him because until he's caught, they're not gonna feel safe. No, And we you and I were talking about this beforehand, that the latest pictures show him with the rockets in Houston. Yeah, I think that's to throw people off.

15:52 Yeah, I don't think he would. You know, if you're if you're an escape convict and you go to Gatlinburg, Tennessee, you're not gonna wear Gallinburg, Tennessee T shirt. But the police know that. I mean they're smart enough to know. I don't think they're gonna say, oh, he's wearing a Houston Rocket shirt. We know we're where because he was in the whole garb, The shorts were Houston Rockets, the cap was Houston Rockets. He's basically saying, come to Houston. So if he's in the Houston, Wow, that's pretty for all. We don't trust the trust the system. For all. We know it's artificial intelligence. You know, you're right it couse that's the scary thing with AI. Yes, that is the scary thing with AI. Now, one thing that I can tell you about Massy in particular is the reason it's such a bad idea to place videos and pictures of yourself outside of just the fact that you're doing it is if you take a picture, there's a way to decipher where that picture was taken just by looking at the picture, just by taking it and loading it into program, and it'll say this was taken at three h two pm at you know, in Batonarge, Louisiana.

17:05 But then that's why I'm a lot of confused. Why hasn't he been caught? You great question, and you look, if you would have told me a month ago before this happened, that ten people, not only ten people would escape, but two would still be on the run, I would say there's no way. And when you ask me why, I would say technology is too good these days. You have license plate readers, you have facial recognition readers. No one can get away for this long. And then even backgrounds, Jim, I mean, look at all the programs that are out there now the same thing. Yeah, that background, for all we know is artificial intelligence. Yeah he is. That may not even be him talking, No, it maybe he uploaded a photo, but it goes right back to it.

17:51 We have all these Internet Crimes Task Force, the Attorney General's got multiple task force, and you would be able to see where he accessed a phone or a computer unless he's at Billy Bob Joe's house and he's using Billy Bob Joe's cell phone. I don't know. I'm the same way. And you know, they had a sighting of him that someone had called him from Natchez, Mississippi. However, they were never able to confirm it was him because when they got there, they couldn't find him. So if he was in that area, he was gone. They swept that area and the Natchist police said he ain't here anymore if he was, so that was the only sighting of Massy that anyone had. But it really is something that calls into question not only the budgeting concerns you brought up, but also the employee concerns. I mean, how did these counts get missed? This makes the national news and everybody is on this thing, and what happens somebody from tan Chapehoe Parish escapes jail.

19:00 I thought that was a joke. I really did. When I saw that press release coming unbelievable. In my head, I'm thinking you're kidding me right now, Like, wait, what's happening. So of course they come in waves of three. So in my head, I'm thinking, Okay, where's the next escape happening from? Yep, And it happened. Tangy had two escapes they really did. Like what Yeah, and look the guy that escaped initially from Tangy Parish jail. This guy had escaped before. As a matter of fact, he escaped the year before from the same prison. Yes, how does that happen? Well, and again I think it goes back to Jim that so many of these systems are struggling when it comes to getting that revenue. And I get that. We as Louisi unions, I think, are sick and tired of being taxed. And when I say that, I can say the we number one I live here, but number two covering it in our immediate area. Recently, any tax that has gone on in ballot it is getting rejected left and right. Yeah, yes, it does not matter what it is for. People are sick and tired of being taxed.

20:14 And I think for so long Americans understood and said, Okay, fine, Breck, you need money, we get it. Okay, school systems you need money, fire departments, Okay, Now it's like ten percent. I mean, eastpount Ridge Parish is one of the highest taxed ten point five percent and it is straight up nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And I know this because the East spount Ridge Parish prison, it's deplorable, it is disgusting, and we constantly got complaints about the AC is not working. And I get it the inmates in there, and a lot of people might say, are you serious right now? They do have rights. The goal is not to kill them. You are innocent until proven guilty. They still have to have lowpoo conditions in there, and in the heat when Louisiana hits those summer months, you've got to have air conditioning. So it's those basic things that a sheriff can't even almost supply. And I know it's temporary. The AC went out whatnot, But think about it, if they had all this money, they wouldn't keep putting band aid on this little bitty problem. You would eventually say, hey, let's go ahead and put this money aside. We're building a new parish prison. Right that's the local East Baton Rooge prison, that Prision prison that I can speak about because I know all that stuff.

21:37 Personally, you've got to be right every time. If you're a sheriff, an inmate has nothing to do all day long but sit down and figure out how the heck am I going to get out of here? You know, that's all they've got to do. When you're a system, my prison system, you have to make sure every day that every cat is right. You've got to follow all the rules. You got to make sure that your people are not bringing in cell phones for inmates, bringing in drugs, all the things that you hear about. Now, this is not just a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. As a matter of fact, Arkansas just caught Grant Harden, who was a former chief of police and a murderer and a rapist of the worst form in Arkansas. He escaped for twelve days from a maximum security prison in Arkansas.

22:32 Just got caught about three days ago. And this guy was only a mile away from the prison the whole time. Now it's Arkansas, these it's very mountainous there, and he had a lot of places to hide. Well, as a former police chief, you kind. Of he walked right out the front door. He made himself a uniform and walked right out the front. Someone opened the gate for him to let him out. I mean, you can't make that stuff up. And it's funny, but it's not. It's it's certainly not funny, but it's mind blowing. The the planning that this guy made to get out. And that's the whole point. That's all these guys got to do twenty four hours a day is figure out how to get out. Yep. And all it takes is like I was saying earlier that the brainchild is one person coming to terms and saying, hey, guys, we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this now. The odd thing for me is why only ten How come if it was happening, how come moronish one out?

23:28 Yeah? Well, I'm sure they wanted out, but maybe some of them in there give him a little credit for maybe having some sense and saying I ain't doing that. You know, they're gonna they're probably, like all of us, thought they'd get caught by the next day. And now you've got two years added to a sentence, which I don't think stuff enough for escape incidentally, but that'll take a lot of law changes. And I do want to mention so Antoine Massey. We talked about the video he posted and for people out there that don't realize in this video he was imploring help from certain people. As a matter of fact, Kim Kardashian. Yeah, the President of the United States, Donald Trump, NB a young boy and Meek Mill. He wanted you know, he's saying, he's claiming this as you know, he's completely innocent and all those sorts of things, and they need to help him. I wouldn't if I was him. I wouldn't wait by my phone for that call from from any of these people.

24:27 The president had just pardoned and be a young boy, Yeah, which I think the day before. Yeah, it might have been the day before. So I don't know if that adds to it. I'm sure it played a role. Yeah, I'm sure it played a role. I just I still have a very tough time wrapping my head around the whole video and pictures. And yeah, it's not what I would choose to do if I was on the run. I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do anything that could link me in anything. I wouldn't want anybody with a cell phone around me because you can try self zones. But yet on the lease he still remains. And you know there's a whole nother side to this outside of that that just the past couple of days has come out speaking of budgets, and that's the cost this is now costing to chase these guys. Two hundred state policemen right now are specifically employed to find them. They have taken them off everything else and said you are on the hunt. Not only that, you've got the ATF involved, you've got the FBI involved, all these agencies working to catch these guys specifically. That is not cheap. That's expensive. There's a lot of overtime being paid. Who pays for that? We do? If you're caught or when you're caught, you're obviously not going back to the same jail you escape from. All of eight of the ten that have been caught have all went

25:58 to and go, Yeah, that's not where they want to you want to end. Up if yous on three sides. On one, they're sitting in in Gola. So you're right, it is a black eye on the system and you've basically bitten the bear now and the bear saying okay, I'm gonna put you in in Gola where there is no air conditioner. You're gonna be working a field, slinging a you know, a hoe for the for the next I don't know how many years you have. Murder was life? Yeah, if your second degree and you're already convicted, you have life in prison, So adding two more years, well, it's not really gonna do much for us, That's that's right. But like you said, in Gola and for our listeners who don't know this, and Jim would be the best person to talk about this with his other podcast, Bloody and Gola. That and Gola is on three sides.

26:56 Surrounded, yeah, rounded, natural. Barriers, snake infested waters. It's eighteen thousand acres and size and some of the roughest train you'll find in Louisiana. You're not getting out of Angola. You know, you can get out of the wire as they call it. You may get out of that razor wire and get beyond that gate, and there's very few who have been able to do that. But unless you have a vehicle, you're not hiking out of there. The gators aget you of the wolves, a get you of the bears, whatever. But it's a prison that is a lot harsher than Orleans Parish jail. And so those guys, even the ones that were only going for you know, there were a few that were caught the next day.

27:42 Up they're caught. They're caught, and now they're in Angola, and now they've got two years added to their sentence. And you're with the big boys. Now you're with the real prisoners. Now, between the cadaver dogs and those westfully Shiana, they are used to it. They know they have a system in place that when an escape happen, they know where they're going, they know what they're doing. And between those kodaver dogs, you're really not going to stay escaped very very long. No you're not. And as of now, twenty five days as of this recording, that these guys have been on the run, Massy and growths, that's unbelievable. That is to me, that is where is Massy and fifty thousand dollars now each on their heads. Somebody has got to turn them in.

28:33 You can't tell me you've got that many little friends. Seriously, I mean their ride or dies now, because for fifty g's a lot of people would turn you in. Your own family might turn you in for fifty thousand. Well, there are two more important things that I want to touch on. Number One, I applaud the Orleans Parish Sheriff for not hiding, not trying to put a put lipstick on this specific pig. And in this case, Jim, which the whole reason is that you can use the media to your benefit law enforcement when you're out there and you have something like this happen. And I get it in today's day and age with social media, but even on social media, law enforcement has the people that follow their pages. The mainstream media is like the WWL, the WDSUS. Now it's all national. Those were the local New Orleans stations. They can get it out a lot faster to a lot more people. Let me bring up the other issue when it comes to I guess you could almost call it a budget issue, but it's kind of like appeeling back an onion, Jim that at the end of the day, people are not wanting to do law enforcement anymore. And this is a national problem, a big, big, big time problem. From the state level to the federal level, to the local levels, and trickle them down to the small towns. They're all struggling to get people who want

30:08 to be police officers. That's right, and I think there's a lot of reasons for that. The look the culture. When I grew up in the eighties, if you were trick or treating on Halloween, you were a police officer. If you you know, you were a police officer or fireman. I can tell you that as a as an adult who had kids who trick or treated and all these sorts of things, when I would pass out candy. In the last five six years, very few police officers And that told me a lot. The culture has changed there. There is no one on the face of this earth more pro police than me, no one. I have more respect for the good police officers in this country, uh than anyone. Uh. The that they take for complete strangers, I will never be able to write my mind around. Uh, the haroism that it takes, the bravery, all those sorts of things. They run, They run to what everybody else runs away from. Andy, and they don't hesitate. They don't get paid enough. The major problem.

31:21 Putting your life on the line, putting. Your life on the line every day, and with social media, they get crucified every time you turn around, Oh God forbid, they pull someone over that uh you know the next thing, you know, it's it's something completely different than take out the fact the person was going one hundred miles an hour, you know, and they had every right to pull them over. Uh, they get crucified for those things. And there's good and bad in every profession. And absolutely there's bad police officers and don't need to be police. Always covered them left and rights. One hundred percent. But I would say the vast majority are good, hard working people that are out there risking their life every day so that you and I can just go about our day and not feel like, you know, we're not safe.

32:09 You know, if you sit down and talk to the former banton Ridge Police Chief, Pat Nglade, who was chief during a very tortuous time for Baton Rouge during the Derek Todd Lee serial killer days, yea, he will tell you that. And then prior to him was great fairies as the chief. But they will both tell you that to get into the academy for Baton Roach PD, it was so long that you would almost pray that you make the list, you make the cutoff. But no, they had an option to choose which officer was the best of the best. Yeah, they could pick and choose. Yes.

32:52 Now, the latest b or PD academy that graduated, take a guess how many people it was fifteen seven? Wow, it started with more. Noah, you had some people who just couldn't do it, their backgrounds didn't pass. You had one or two that were like deuces, I'm out, I can't do all this. Seven graduated. Well, when you only have seven, Jim, at the end of the day, you've got to put those seven to work. So now translate this to Orleans Parish. It's the sheriff's office. It's the same thing with the deputies there. They're struggling. The jail is almost a spot where you put intro level absolutely deputies or people deputies who have been disciplined for possible wrongdoing go to the jail. So then you have people like the maintenance person who was saying that he was threatened and he's fearing for his life so he turned off the water. Yeah, and I guess that was a long version, which is why we have a podcast that to peeling back the onion that it's not just a simple answer as to what really went wrong here?

34:01 Right, Yeah, there is no there is no simple answer. But I think as a you know, a society as and especially locally as Louisianians here, Uh, we really need to look into the issue of hiring police officers and and getting good qualified candidates. You know, used to be a lot of pride if you were a detective in a police organization and you're out there and you're hunting for truth. Right Uh. Now, the these people with the brain power and capacity to do that are choosing to be dentist or doctors, or or or a million other professions because I feel like for far too long, not only monetarily or at police officers not being compensated, but also the culture has just become where it's almost you're bad if you're a police officer, you're a bad person.

34:58 Well, and it's I would have add to that that I think there are men and women out there who still say we'll do it. We love it. My dad did it, my grandfather did it. It's in the family, my uncle's everybody's police. This is all I want to do. It's not even the money that's going to stop them. What's going to stop them is, like you said, when that chase happens, the suspects going one hundred miles an hour. Uh, he crashes out. He gets out, he raises an AR fifteen and tries to shoot a police officer. Officer returns fire, kills him. Who's the bad guy. Well, the guy would that tried to shave the police officer? No, the officer is the officer killed a person.

35:40 Yeah, that's the mentality. Perception going on right now. Any human being, if you have a gun in your hands and someone's shooting you, what are you going to do? Yeah? So I know it's it's a long conversation here, but hey, that's what podcasting is. It's a worthwhile conversation. It is a worthwhilesation. It's you know, the podcasts are all about giving someone the opportunity to think about that situation. And hopefully there's some listeners to this that are seeing that side of things, because there's a lot of things that it would be tightened up, especially with our correctional system. Obviously, it's not a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. It happens in every state, maybe not to this amount. I mean, I gotta say, you know, Tim might be the record, I don't know, I know Loisiana that Yeah, in Louisiana as far as anybody's been able to find. That is the largest escape in the history of Louisiana prisons.

36:40 That's worthy of a black guy, Jim. Yeah, Oh, it certainly is. And heads rolling in all those sorts of things definitely is. And you know, like I said, maybe all we can hope for is some good to come out of this with. Maybe they'll shore up that jail now and really look into the mistakes and fix them. That's what we hope. Yeah, and I hope these next two people, I say, next to these other two people are caught soon. Because don't laugh at me when I say this, But I remember watching a documentary on Alcatraz and the three guys who escaped, and and I cannot remember the name of this documentary, but the way they pretty much brought to life how these people got out and it was just a few hours of a heads up. I'm sorry, it was just a few hours where they were able to escape and nobody realized it a few if I remember correctly.

37:40 Yeah, it was the Angler brothers. Yes, and Eastwood, but that but that made but that made the biggest difference. I want to say, it was like three hours pay cash. You're not on a rock, you're surrounded by water either like on Alcatraz, I mean you can get a long way. Yes, yeah, it really is. And they're supposed to do those counts like every hour. I mean, this is common practice in just about every prison. Mistakes were made and that's why I'm saying that. I think a lot more is going to come out here. But the focus right now, I would assume, is we need to get these other two back. That would be the top focus. Of course, I'm sure they're already tightening up inside that. Hey, you better make sure you're counting on the hour. Has that come out to the media.

38:31 Has the sheriff made that very very clear to the media. No, that's not her priority right this minute. That's right. That's right. And look for all those guys that are in in the jail now, and you know, some of them are probably like, yeah, you go, you got out of prison, You beat the system. They ain't loving them right now because your life just got twenty times harder than it was a month ago. Because now everybody's eyes on you twenty four hours a day now, and it is. Worthy of national news. Because of this point, we don't know where they are, right they. Could be anywhere they could. They you know, they could be all the way in California by now, they already caught several in Texas, So I mean they were across state lines, and once you break out of the state, you've got a lot better chance of getting away with it because the press just isn't even though it's a national story, it's not covered as heavy in Arkansas as it is in Louisiana.

39:27 It's on the national news, it's not on the local Fayetteville correct CBS station exactly that you can go sit at a diner and you have no idea who the person is next to you. I mean, you know who lives in your small town. But I mean to say, if there is a stranger you may not recognize. Hey, wait, this is an escaped in meat. Yeah, that's right. That's the shocking thing to me about Massy because if you see his picture one time, he just stands out to you. Anywhere in the country, you're gonna notice a guy with that many tats on his face, that is it. It's going to stand out. And he's been select so far. Wow, well, Jim, did we kind of cover everything?

40:08 I think we did. I think we did. Thank you so much for joining us, and if you haven't already, guys, go listen. Jim is a podcast king from Bloodying Gola to Local Leaders, which is a big podcast that's done mainly locally to focus on some of the local businesses and leaders. And then obviously the one that's just taken off is exposed. Yeah yeah, give you the maybe a little bit of the tea on some of these rich and famous in our country. So go take a listen to those and to our listeners, we thank you for joining us for this week's episode of Louisiana Unfiltered and we will see you next week.