June 12, 2025

Out of the Shadows: New Developments in the New Orleans Jail Escape

Out of the Shadows: New Developments in the New Orleans Jail Escape
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Season 7
This episode of Bloody Angola examines the up to the minute details on the details of the (2) escapee’s still on the run, Antoine Massey and Derrick Groves.

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Inside these walls, inside the wild.

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And went the girl as I'm hey everyone, and welcome

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back to Bloody Angola Podcast one and forty two years

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in the making, the complete story of America's Bloodiest present.

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I'm Jim Chapman, and I got something a little bit

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different for you today. Of course, we brought you several

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episodes on the escapes out of New Orleans, where ten

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individuals escaped from Orleans Parish jail, and I was honored

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to go on a podcast with Kieran Challa. Her podcast

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is called Louisiana Unfiltered, and we discussed up to the

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second details on the two remaining escapees who have yet

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to be caught. It was a really informative discussion with

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myself and Kieran, who is an Emmy Award winning investigative

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journalist here in South Louisiana. So here it is that

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interview in full with Louisiana Unfiltered's Kieran Chala.

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It's a story that originated right here in our backyard

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and has now garnered national attention. A prison escape, but

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it's not just one inmate. Instead, it's ten inmates, all

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escaping at one time. Two of them remain on the run,

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and I'll even say one of them is almost teasing

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law enforcement by posting pictures and videos to social media.

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How were ten people able to escape the parish prison

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in Orleans Parish. We're going to delve into that. We're

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also going to break down how they initially thought it

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was eleven inmates who escaped. I'm Karen Challa and this

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is Louisiana Unfiltered. Welcome back everyone. This week, we are

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joined by my fellow podcaster and friend producer as well

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of multiple podcasts. We're gonna say exposed for now, but

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he's got several podcasts as well, Jim Chapman. Thank you

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for joining us, Thank you for having me.

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I'm excited to talk today.

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Where do we start, Jim? I feel like we almost

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need to start with how does this even happen? Ten

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people at one time?

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Yeah, that's the question. And as much as you and

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I would love the answer to that question, it seems

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like the entire country wants the answer to that question.

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As you said in your intro, this has become national news,

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especially considering they have not all been caught yet.

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Yeah. In fact, Jim, I'll even tell you a personal story. Obviously,

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we're bent roots based, and in the beginning when all

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this happened, we did not cover it. It's New Orleans. Uh.

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But the day that they discovered it happened, NewsNation texted

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and said are you covering this?

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Yeah?

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Like it made national news immediately. There was no let's

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wait till the following week. This same day, obviously, we're

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talking about it now because what it's been three weeks

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and you still have inmates who are on the run.

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Still on the run. And you know, when this first

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hit the news, it was not just the Orleans pairis

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sheriff coming out and holding a press conference. The governor

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came out, Yes, the Attorney General, Liz Muriel came out

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with a press conference. This was a big deal. These

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were not people that were arrested for jaywalking busting out

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of city jail. This was people for murder, suspicion of murder, rape.

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There was a lot of accusations involved, and as you

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mentioned in the intro. Initially they weren't even sure how

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many got out.

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That just baffles me. How do you not know? And

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I understand we're going to break all this down, gen,

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but I understand that in today's day and age, a

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lot of parish prisons and obviously we're parishes here in Louisiana,

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but county jails and prisons across the country. They're all

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struggling with a lack of money to update the prisons.

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And when I say update, I don't mean just have

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enough for the capacity. I mean for the infrastructure to

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be improved. Yes, I feel like that's half the problem.

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But staffing wise, how do you miscount?

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Yeah? Well, and there was a lot that went wrong

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here that we're discovering in your absolutely correct budget. Concerns

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are a concern. The last thing any says that wants

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to pay for is prisons. Last thing they want to

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pay for because you're housing, you're paying tax dollars for

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someone that broke the law and they get thrown in prison,

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they're convicted of awful crimes, and you don't want to

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have to pay for that. Nope, something that you have

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to do as a society is keep up your presence,

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because things like this can happen. So initially when this happened,

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it made all the news and it was eleven people

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that escaped. Then they discovered that one person was actually

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moved to another part of the prison and did not escape.

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It's embarrassing, it really is. We all know the history

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of an OPD and that I personally feel. And again

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this is completely Kier and Charl's opinion, not a fact

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that the reason the governor got involved, the reason the

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attorney general got involved is because how do we put

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makeup on this black guy?

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Yeah, and we have to hurry up and get a

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hold of it.

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A quick catch up on exactly how this happened. Initially,

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these these convicts escaped jail. They went through a hole

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in a They actually pulled the back of a toilet off,

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made a hole went through that. Whenever a gate, they

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were able to get out of their cells because the

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locks they were so antiquated, they were able to bust

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the locks in one way or another. Now, they did

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have some help on the inside. They arrested an individual

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allegedly who helped them, and this individual was supposedly threatened

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they were going to shank him if he did not

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turn the water off. He was not a correctional officer.

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He was a guy that worked maintenance at the prison,

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and he turned the water off and that enabled them

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to make their escape. This was planned. This was not

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something on the spart of a moment in the video.

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When you watch the video, you see these guys just

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tugging on these gates and busting locks, and yeah, that's

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a budget problem. But the other problem was, as you

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just mentioned the count, they were on the loose for

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like hours before they even realized it.

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And that's a long time.

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That's a major issue. Yeah, that's a long time. You

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can get a long way with hours, Yeah, which is

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what they were discovering. A lot of these have made

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it a long way. A few of them they were

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able to catch. You know, a couple of them were

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strolling right there in French Quarter, rolling down Bourbon Street,

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and facial recognition, thankfully in New Orleans recognizing these guys

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and caught them essentially.

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I know one was caught in Houston. Yeah, two two

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were caught in Houston. And I laughed because I've got

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friends out in that direction, and I think we're going

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to talk about this one of the escaped inmates who's

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still out there and is posting videos and pictures. The

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joke is, okay, Houston PD, get your stuff together, they're

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one of the best in the country. That let's figure

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out where they are. And they jokingly said, we already

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caught two for them. How many more you want us

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to catching? That's why I chuckled, Yeah it is.

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And they actually went on a pretty major car chase

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to catch those guys, and what they were finding out

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and discovering at the beginning was there was a lot

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of help on the outside. The Governor, Jeff Landry came

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out and did his press conference. Of course, the police

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knew these these guys are likely going to have some help.

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They're gonna call friends, family, and he said, if you're caught,

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we're not holding back. We're going to charge you to

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the furthest extent of the law for helping these guys,

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which I found very interesting in luck rewards right now,

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fifty thousand dollars for the final two information leading to

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their arrest. It's a lot a lot of people will

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look at you and say you're my boy, But for

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fifty g's I'm calling the police.

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Yeah. Absolutely, you've got the governor saying this, yeah, but

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then when they're getting arrested as an accomplice, and this

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is one of the reports that we covered, the guy

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got out for a fifteen thousand dollars bond. Remember you

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only have to pay twelve percent. That's just over fifteen

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hundred dollars. Right, So you can say one thing, governor,

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but the judges are doing something completely different.

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Yeah, yeah, well, and you said it right. At the

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end of the day, it's up to the judge just

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set that bond. I don't know what they're actually being

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charged with, these accomplices. And if you know that fifteen

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thousand dollars is about the max of what you can

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charge someone, it may be in that position, which means

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we needs different laws for people who are aiding into

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betting fugitives really in a lot of cases, making it

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possible for these guys to escape. Ten of them, folks,

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wrap your mind around them.

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And that's what I was going to say. So let's start.

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We keep almost teasing the viewership the listeners that this

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is what all we're going to talk about. Let's start

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with the basics. It's May sixteenth, ye and around eight

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o'clock is when officials learn, hey, we're missing. They initially

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set eleven in metes, right.

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Could you imagine making that call to the you know

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the share No, yeah, me neither. And as soon as

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that hit the wire there was maybe a It wasn't

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long and between the time they discovered them missing and

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the sheriff coming out and reporting it, so they were

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on top of it pretty quick, which is important because

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the public then could be on the lookout. Right, you

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release pictures of these guys, these are who they are,

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you need to look for them. So it wasn't something

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where they could say, Okay, how can we spend this

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so that it doesn't look so bad? Because the more

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time you delay in letting the public and know those

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guys are out, the more time they have to commit

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another crime, and the more time they have to hide.

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And like you already said, these were some pretty armed

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and dent. Well I don't know armed dangerous and for

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all we know they may be armed mail. But these

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are some dangerous men.

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All of them.

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And they weren't in, like you said, for stealing a dog. No,

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you're in for murder.

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And that was another big problem. They were in a

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lighter security wing, So you had some that one of

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them was involved in it. Had a conviction for second

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degree murder, which likely was a plea de deol down

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to second degree. He was involved in a shooting in

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the French quarter that killed somebody. That guy was on

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the escaped and he was in a lighter wing of

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the prison as far as security is.

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Concerned, and second degree is life behind bars.

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Right, And they definitely had some splaining to do on

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why these guys were in medium and lighter security wings

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of that prison and Jim Jail.

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A lot of that conversation hasn't even started yet because

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the focus is still trying to figure out where these

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last two inmates are.

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Derrick Groves who is one of the two inmates still missing.

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He's twenty eight years old. He was convicted of second

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degree murder. He is still on the loose now. He

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has not been seen since the day of the escape,

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has not been seen by the public. So wherever he's hiding,

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he's in a good hiding spot if you will. No sightings.

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But the second guy is not the.

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Smartest Antoine Massy and yeah, he can't stay off social media.

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This guy has actually almost become a meme a character,

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if you will. Some people are placing bets as if

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this was Las Vegas on who's gonna get caught first?

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Is he gonna get away with this and never be

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seen again? That The thing that is so intriguing about

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Massy is that he is a guy that could not

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blend in anywhere in the world. He has face tattoos.

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If he was standing in front of you right now,

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you would know right away that's Antoine Massey. The fact

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that he is still on the loose is shocking enough

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because of his identifying features. But one makes it really

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wild is this is his third escape. Yeah, he's an

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escape artist.

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He knew what he was doing. And I guess again,

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some of these answers are gonna come out later. I

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almost want to know who's the brains behind this, and

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's him.

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It very well could be. And you know, he was

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charged with domestic abuse and auto theft. That's what he

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was in uh, that's what he was in Orleans Paris

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jail for. He had not been convicted yet. But the

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scary thing here is, assuming he is guilty of those charges,

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there's someone out there that he domestically abused that, you know.

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I yeah, I feel for him because until he's caught,

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they're not gonna feel safe.

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No, And we you and I were talking about this beforehand,

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that the latest pictures show him with the rockets in Houston. Yeah,

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I think that's to throw people off.

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Yeah, I don't think he would. You know, if you're

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if you're an escape convict and you go to Gatlinburg, Tennessee,

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you're not gonna wear Gallinburg, Tennessee T shirt. But the

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police know that. I mean they're smart enough to know.

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I don't think they're gonna say, oh, he's wearing a

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Houston Rocket shirt. We know we're where because he was

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in the whole garb, The shorts were Houston Rockets, the

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cap was Houston Rockets. He's basically saying, come to Houston.

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So if he's in the Houston, Wow, that's pretty for all.

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We don't trust the trust the system.

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For all.

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We know it's artificial intelligence.

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You know, you're right it couse that's the scary thing

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with AI. Yes, that is the scary thing with AI. Now,

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one thing that I can tell you about Massy in

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particular is the reason it's such a bad idea to

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place videos and pictures of yourself outside of just the

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fact that you're doing it is if you take a picture,

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there's a way to decipher where that picture was taken

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just by looking at the picture, just by taking it

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and loading it into program, and it'll say this was

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taken at three h two pm at you know, in Batonarge, Louisiana.

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But then that's why I'm a lot of confused. Why

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hasn't he been caught?

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You great question, and you look, if you would have

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told me a month ago before this happened, that ten people,

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not only ten people would escape, but two would still

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be on the run, I would say there's no way.

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And when you ask me why, I would say technology

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is too good these days. You have license plate readers,

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you have facial recognition readers. No one can get away

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for this long.

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And then even backgrounds, Jim, I mean, look at all

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the programs that are out there now the same thing. Yeah,

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that background, for all we know is artificial intelligence.

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Yeah he is.

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That may not even be him talking, No, it maybe

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he uploaded a photo, but it goes right back to it.

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We have all these Internet Crimes Task Force, the Attorney

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General's got multiple task force, and you would be able

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to see where he accessed a phone or a computer

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unless he's at Billy Bob Joe's house and he's using

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Billy Bob Joe's cell phone. I don't know.

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I'm the same way. And you know, they had a

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sighting of him that someone had called him from Natchez, Mississippi. However,

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they were never able to confirm it was him because

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when they got there, they couldn't find him. So if

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he was in that area, he was gone. They swept

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that area and the Natchist police said he ain't here

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anymore if he was, so that was the only sighting

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of Massy that anyone had. But it really is something

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that calls into question not only the budgeting concerns you

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brought up, but also the employee concerns. I mean, how

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did these counts get missed? This makes the national news

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and everybody is on this thing, and what happens somebody

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from tan Chapehoe Parish escapes jail.

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I thought that was a joke. I really did. When

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I saw that press release coming unbelievable. In my head,

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I'm thinking you're kidding me right now, Like, wait, what's happening.

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So of course they come in waves of three. So

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in my head, I'm thinking, Okay, where's the next escape

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happening from?

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Yep, And it happened. Tangy had two escapes they really did.

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Like what Yeah, and look the guy that escaped initially

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from Tangy Parish jail. This guy had escaped before. As

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a matter of fact, he escaped the year before from

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the same prison. Yes, how does that happen?

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Well, and again I think it goes back to Jim

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that so many of these systems are struggling when it

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comes to getting that revenue. And I get that. We

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as Louisi unions, I think, are sick and tired of

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being taxed. And when I say that, I can say

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the we number one I live here, but number two

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covering it in our immediate area. Recently, any tax that

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has gone on in ballot it is getting rejected left

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and right. Yeah, yes, it does not matter what it

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is for. People are sick and tired of being taxed.

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And I think for so long Americans understood and said, Okay, fine, Breck,

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you need money, we get it. Okay, school systems you

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need money, fire departments, Okay, Now it's like ten percent.

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I mean, eastpount Ridge Parish is one of the highest

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taxed ten point five percent and it is straight up nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

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And I know this because the East spount Ridge Parish prison,

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it's deplorable, it is disgusting, and we constantly got complaints

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about the AC is not working. And I get it

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the inmates in there, and a lot of people might say,

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are you serious right now? They do have rights. The

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goal is not to kill them. You are innocent until

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proven guilty. They still have to have lowpoo conditions in there,

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and in the heat when Louisiana hits those summer months,

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you've got to have air conditioning. So it's those basic

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things that a sheriff can't even almost supply. And I

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know it's temporary. The AC went out whatnot, But think

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about it, if they had all this money, they wouldn't

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keep putting band aid on this little bitty problem. You

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would eventually say, hey, let's go ahead and put this

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money aside. We're building a new parish prison. Right that's

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the local East Baton Rooge prison, that Prision prison that

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I can speak about because I know all that stuff.

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Personally, you've got to be right every time. If you're

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a sheriff, an inmate has nothing to do all day

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long but sit down and figure out how the heck

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am I going to get out of here? You know,

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that's all they've got to do. When you're a system,

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my prison system, you have to make sure every day

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that every cat is right. You've got to follow all

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the rules. You got to make sure that your people

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are not bringing in cell phones for inmates, bringing in drugs,

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all the things that you hear about. Now, this is

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not just a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. As

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a matter of fact, Arkansas just caught Grant Harden, who

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was a former chief of police and a murderer and

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a rapist of the worst form in Arkansas. He escaped

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for twelve days from a maximum security prison in Arkansas.

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Just got caught about three days ago. And this guy

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was only a mile away from the prison the whole time.

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Now it's Arkansas, these it's very mountainous there, and he

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had a lot of places to hide.

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Well, as a former police chief, you kind.

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Of he walked right out the front door. He made

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himself a uniform and walked right out the front. Someone

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opened the gate for him to let him out. I mean,

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you can't make that stuff up. And it's funny, but

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it's not. It's it's certainly not funny, but it's mind blowing.

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The the planning that this guy made to get out.

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And that's the whole point. That's all these guys got

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to do twenty four hours a day is figure out

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how to get out. Yep.

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And all it takes is like I was saying earlier

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that the brainchild is one person coming to terms and saying, hey, guys,

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we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this now. The

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odd thing for me is why only ten How come

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if it was happening, how come moronish one out?

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Yeah? Well, I'm sure they wanted out, but maybe some

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of them in there give him a little credit for

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maybe having some sense and saying I ain't doing that.

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You know, they're gonna they're probably, like all of us,

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thought they'd get caught by the next day. And now

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you've got two years added to a sentence, which I

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don't think stuff enough for escape incidentally, but that'll take

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a lot of law changes. And I do want to

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mention so Antoine Massey. We talked about the video he

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posted and for people out there that don't realize in

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this video he was imploring help from certain people. As

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a matter of fact, Kim Kardashian. Yeah, the President of

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the United States, Donald Trump, NB a young boy and

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Meek Mill. He wanted you know, he's saying, he's claiming

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this as you know, he's completely innocent and all those

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sorts of things, and they need to help him. I

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wouldn't if I was him. I wouldn't wait by my

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phone for that call from from any of these people.

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The president had just pardoned and be a young boy, Yeah,

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which I think the day before.

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Yeah, it might have been the day before.

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So I don't know if that adds to it.

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I'm sure it played a role. Yeah, I'm sure it

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played a role.

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I just I still have a very tough time wrapping

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my head around the whole video and pictures.

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And yeah, it's not what I would choose to do

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if I was on the run. I mean, I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't do anything that could link me in anything.

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I wouldn't want anybody with a cell phone around me

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because you can try self zones. But yet on the

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lease he still remains. And you know there's a whole

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nother side to this outside of that that just the

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past couple of days has come out speaking of budgets,

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and that's the cost this is now costing to chase

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these guys. Two hundred state policemen right now are specifically

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employed to find them. They have taken them off everything

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else and said you are on the hunt. Not only that,

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you've got the ATF involved, you've got the FBI involved,

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all these agencies working to catch these guys specifically. That

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is not cheap. That's expensive. There's a lot of overtime

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being paid. Who pays for that? We do? If you're

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caught or when you're caught, you're obviously not going back

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to the same jail you escape from. All of eight

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of the ten that have been caught have all went

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to and go, Yeah, that's not where they want to

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you want to end.

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Up if yous on three sides.

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On one, they're sitting in in Gola. So you're right,

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it is a black eye on the system and you've

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basically bitten the bear now and the bear saying okay,

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I'm gonna put you in in Gola where there is

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no air conditioner. You're gonna be working a field, slinging

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a you know, a hoe for the for the next

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I don't know how many years you have.

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Murder was life? Yeah, if your second degree and you're

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already convicted, you have life in prison, So adding two

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more years, well, it's not really gonna do much for us,

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That's that's right. But like you said, in Gola and

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for our listeners who don't know this, and Jim would

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be the best person to talk about this with his

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other podcast, Bloody and Gola. That and Gola is on

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three sides.

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Surrounded, yeah, rounded, natural.

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Barriers, snake infested waters.

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It's eighteen thousand acres and size and some of the

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roughest train you'll find in Louisiana. You're not getting out

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of Angola. You know, you can get out of the

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wire as they call it. You may get out of

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that razor wire and get beyond that gate, and there's

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very few who have been able to do that. But

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unless you have a vehicle, you're not hiking out of there.

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The gators aget you of the wolves, a get you

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of the bears, whatever. But it's a prison that is

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a lot harsher than Orleans Parish jail. And so those guys,

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even the ones that were only going for you know,

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there were a few that were caught the next day.

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Up they're caught.

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They're caught, and now they're in Angola, and now they've

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got two years added to their sentence. And you're with

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the big boys. Now you're with the real prisoners.

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Now, between the cadaver dogs and those westfully Shiana, they

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are used to it. They know they have a system

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in place that when an escape happen, they know where

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they're going, they know what they're doing. And between those

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kodaver dogs, you're really not going to stay escaped very

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very long.

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No you're not. And as of now, twenty five days

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as of this recording, that these guys have been on

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the run, Massy and growths, that's unbelievable. That is to me,

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that is where is Massy and fifty thousand dollars now

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each on their heads. Somebody has got to turn them in.

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You can't tell me you've got that many little friends. Seriously,

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I mean their ride or dies now, because for fifty

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g's a lot of people would turn you in. Your

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own family might turn you in for fifty thousand.

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Well, there are two more important things that I want

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to touch on. Number One, I applaud the Orleans Parish

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00:28:52.240 --> 00:29:00.359
Sheriff for not hiding, not trying to put a put

477
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:05.720
lipstick on this specific pig. And in this case, Jim,

478
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.880
which the whole reason is that you can use the

479
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.359
media to your benefit law enforcement when you're out there

480
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.839
and you have something like this happen. And I get

481
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.119
it in today's day and age with social media, but

482
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.799
even on social media, law enforcement has the people that

483
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.920
follow their pages. The mainstream media is like the WWL,

484
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.720
the WDSUS. Now it's all national. Those were the local

485
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.519
New Orleans stations. They can get it out a lot

486
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.160
faster to a lot more people. Let me bring up

487
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.200
the other issue when it comes to I guess you

488
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:44.359
could almost call it a budget issue, but it's kind

489
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.960
of like appeeling back an onion, Jim that at the

490
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.680
end of the day, people are not wanting to do

491
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:55.440
law enforcement anymore. And this is a national problem, a big, big,

492
00:29:55.480 --> 00:30:00.359
big time problem. From the state level to the federal level,

493
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.240
to the local levels, and trickle them down to the

494
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:08.160
small towns. They're all struggling to get people who want

495
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.720
to be police officers.

496
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.599
That's right, and I think there's a lot of reasons

497
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.240
for that. The look the culture. When I grew up

498
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.039
in the eighties, if you were trick or treating on Halloween,

499
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.079
you were a police officer. If you you know, you

500
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:28.960
were a police officer or fireman. I can tell you

501
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.480
that as a as an adult who had kids who

502
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.480
trick or treated and all these sorts of things, when

503
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:39.400
I would pass out candy. In the last five six years,

504
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.039
very few police officers And that told me a lot.

505
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.720
The culture has changed there. There is no one on

506
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.319
the face of this earth more pro police than me,

507
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:55.079
no one. I have more respect for the good police

508
00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:00.319
officers in this country, uh than anyone. Uh. The that

509
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.759
they take for complete strangers, I will never be able

510
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.960
to write my mind around. Uh, the haroism that it takes,

511
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.519
the bravery, all those sorts of things. They run, They

512
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.559
run to what everybody else runs away from. Andy, and

513
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.440
they don't hesitate. They don't get paid enough. The major problem.

514
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.960
Putting your life on the line, putting.

515
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.880
Your life on the line every day, and with social media,

516
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:31.640
they get crucified every time you turn around, Oh God forbid,

517
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.559
they pull someone over that uh you know the next thing,

518
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:39.640
you know, it's it's something completely different than take out

519
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.720
the fact the person was going one hundred miles an hour,

520
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.720
you know, and they had every right to pull them over. Uh,

521
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.920
they get crucified for those things. And there's good and

522
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.680
bad in every profession. And absolutely there's bad police officers

523
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.240
and don't need to be police.

524
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.200
Always covered them left and rights.

525
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:58.000
One hundred percent. But I would say the vast majority

526
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.960
are good, hard working people that are out there risking

527
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.559
their life every day so that you and I can

528
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.799
just go about our day and not feel like, you know,

529
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.000
we're not safe.

530
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.000
You know, if you sit down and talk to the

531
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.960
former banton Ridge Police Chief, Pat Nglade, who was chief

532
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.559
during a very tortuous time for Baton Rouge during the

533
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.839
Derek Todd Lee serial killer days, yea, he will tell

534
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.799
you that. And then prior to him was great fairies

535
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.240
as the chief. But they will both tell you that

536
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.920
to get into the academy for Baton Roach PD, it

537
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.279
was so long that you would almost pray that you

538
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.480
make the list, you make the cutoff. But no, they

539
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:48.400
had an option to choose which officer was the best

540
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:49.160
of the best.

541
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:51.960
Yeah, they could pick and choose. Yes.

542
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:57.400
Now, the latest b or PD academy that graduated, take

543
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:01.680
a guess how many people it was fifteen seven? Wow,

544
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.759
it started with more. Noah, you had some people who

545
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.160
just couldn't do it, their backgrounds didn't pass. You had

546
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.960
one or two that were like deuces, I'm out, I

547
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.519
can't do all this. Seven graduated. Well, when you only

548
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.880
have seven, Jim, at the end of the day, you've

549
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.440
got to put those seven to work. So now translate

550
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.720
this to Orleans Parish. It's the sheriff's office. It's the

551
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.640
same thing with the deputies there. They're struggling. The jail

552
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.359
is almost a spot where you put intro level absolutely

553
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:38.519
deputies or people deputies who have been disciplined for possible

554
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.720
wrongdoing go to the jail. So then you have people

555
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.799
like the maintenance person who was saying that he was

556
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.960
threatened and he's fearing for his life so he turned

557
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.039
off the water. Yeah, and I guess that was a

558
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.039
long version, which is why we have a podcast that

559
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.319
to peeling back the onion that it's not just a

560
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.000
simple answer as to what really went wrong here?

561
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.200
Right, Yeah, there is no there is no simple answer.

562
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.679
But I think as a you know, a society as

563
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.360
and especially locally as Louisianians here, Uh, we really need

564
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.679
to look into the issue of hiring police officers and

565
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:25.559
and getting good qualified candidates. You know, used to be

566
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.440
a lot of pride if you were a detective in

567
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.760
a police organization and you're out there and you're hunting

568
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.239
for truth. Right Uh. Now, the these people with the

569
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.079
brain power and capacity to do that are choosing to

570
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:41.559
be dentist or doctors, or or or a million other

571
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:46.400
professions because I feel like for far too long, not

572
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.920
only monetarily or at police officers not being compensated, but

573
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.719
also the culture has just become where it's almost you're

574
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.519
bad if you're a police officer, you're a bad person.

575
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.800
Well, and it's I would have add to that that

576
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.199
I think there are men and women out there who

577
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.840
still say we'll do it. We love it. My dad

578
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.599
did it, my grandfather did it. It's in the family,

579
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.679
my uncle's everybody's police. This is all I want to do.

580
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.760
It's not even the money that's going to stop them.

581
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.519
What's going to stop them is, like you said, when

582
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.000
that chase happens, the suspects going one hundred miles an hour. Uh,

583
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.639
he crashes out. He gets out, he raises an AR

584
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.800
fifteen and tries to shoot a police officer. Officer returns fire,

585
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.639
kills him. Who's the bad guy.

586
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.280
Well, the guy would that tried to shave the police officer?

587
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.920
No, the officer is the officer killed a person.

588
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.000
Yeah, that's the mentality.

589
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:45.320
Perception going on right now. Any human being, if you

590
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.559
have a gun in your hands and someone's shooting you,

591
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:48.880
what are you going to do?

592
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:49.800
Yeah?

593
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.119
So I know it's it's a long conversation here, but hey,

594
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:56.239
that's what podcasting is.

595
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.719
It's a worthwhile conversation.

596
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.159
It is a worthwhilesation.

597
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.519
It's you know, the podcasts are all about giving someone

598
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.880
the opportunity to think about that situation. And hopefully there's

599
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.880
some listeners to this that are seeing that side of things,

600
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.159
because there's a lot of things that it would be

601
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:20.079
tightened up, especially with our correctional system. Obviously, it's not

602
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.719
a Louisiana problem. It's a national problem. It happens in

603
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.760
every state, maybe not to this amount. I mean, I

604
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.079
gotta say, you know, Tim might be the record, I

605
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.679
don't know, I know Loisiana that Yeah, in Louisiana as

606
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:36.960
far as anybody's been able to find. That is the

607
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.679
largest escape in the history of Louisiana prisons.

608
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:42.119
That's worthy of a black guy, Jim.

609
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.880
Yeah, Oh, it certainly is. And heads rolling in all

610
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.280
those sorts of things definitely is. And you know, like

611
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.000
I said, maybe all we can hope for is some

612
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.400
good to come out of this with. Maybe they'll shore

613
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.360
up that jail now and really look into the mistakes

614
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.440
and fix them. That's what we hope.

615
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.719
Yeah, and I hope these next two people, I say,

616
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.880
next to these other two people are caught soon. Because

617
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:12.480
don't laugh at me when I say this, But I

618
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.480
remember watching a documentary on Alcatraz and the three guys

619
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.079
who escaped, and and I cannot remember the name of

620
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:25.800
this documentary, but the way they pretty much brought to

621
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.199
life how these people got out and it was just

622
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.760
a few hours of a heads up. I'm sorry, it

623
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.079
was just a few hours where they were able to

624
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.320
escape and nobody realized it a few if I remember correctly.

625
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.679
Yeah, it was the Angler brothers.

626
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:49.280
Yes, and Eastwood, but that but that made but that

627
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.280
made the biggest difference. I want to say, it was

628
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.199
like three hours pay cash.

629
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.360
You're not on a rock, you're surrounded by water either

630
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:01.760
like on Alcatraz, I mean you can get a long way. Yes, yeah,

631
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.599
it really is. And they're supposed to do those counts

632
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.400
like every hour. I mean, this is common practice in

633
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:09.719
just about every prison.

634
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:11.960
Mistakes were made and that's why I'm saying that. I

635
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.039
think a lot more is going to come out here.

636
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:18.440
But the focus right now, I would assume, is we

637
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.800
need to get these other two back. That would be

638
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.440
the top focus. Of course, I'm sure they're already tightening

639
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.760
up inside that. Hey, you better make sure you're counting

640
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.039
on the hour. Has that come out to the media.

641
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.639
Has the sheriff made that very very clear to the media. No,

642
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:35.800
that's not her priority right this minute.

643
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.440
That's right. That's right. And look for all those guys

644
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.960
that are in in the jail now, and you know,

645
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:44.880
some of them are probably like, yeah, you go, you

646
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.599
got out of prison, You beat the system. They ain't

647
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.320
loving them right now because your life just got twenty

648
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.480
times harder than it was a month ago. Because now

649
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.360
everybody's eyes on you twenty four hours a day now,

650
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.280
and it is.

651
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.679
Worthy of national news. Because of this point, we don't

652
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.559
know where they are, right they.

653
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.119
Could be anywhere they could. They you know, they could

654
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.840
be all the way in California by now, they already

655
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.440
caught several in Texas, So I mean they were across

656
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.440
state lines, and once you break out of the state,

657
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.320
you've got a lot better chance of getting away with

658
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.079
it because the press just isn't even though it's a

659
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.960
national story, it's not covered as heavy in Arkansas as

660
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.239
it is in Louisiana.

661
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.320
It's on the national news, it's not on the local

662
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:35.599
Fayetteville correct CBS station exactly that you can go sit

663
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.800
at a diner and you have no idea who the

664
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.679
person is next to you. I mean, you know who

665
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:41.639
lives in your small town. But I mean to say,

666
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.599
if there is a stranger you may not recognize. Hey, wait,

667
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:45.760
this is an escaped in meat.

668
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.280
Yeah, that's right. That's the shocking thing to me about

669
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.679
Massy because if you see his picture one time, he

670
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.800
just stands out to you. Anywhere in the country, you're

671
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.280
gonna notice a guy with that many tats on his face,

672
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:03.440
that is it. It's going to stand out. And he's

673
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:04.599
been select so far.

674
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.760
Wow, well, Jim, did we kind of cover everything?

675
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.079
I think we did. I think we did.

676
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.079
Thank you so much for joining us, and if you

677
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.199
haven't already, guys, go listen. Jim is a podcast king

678
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.440
from Bloodying Gola to Local Leaders, which is a big

679
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.719
podcast that's done mainly locally to focus on some of

680
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:29.920
the local businesses and leaders. And then obviously the one

681
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.400
that's just taken off is exposed.

682
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.440
Yeah yeah, give you the maybe a little bit of

683
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.840
the tea on some of these rich and famous in

684
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:39.519
our country.

685
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.559
So go take a listen to those and to our listeners,

686
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.360
we thank you for joining us for this week's episode

687
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.280
of Louisiana Unfiltered and we will see you next week.