June 5, 2025

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Season 7

In this episode Jim Chapman brings you inside the wire and the role of a Classifications Officer at Louisiana State Penitentiary by sitting down with former Angola Classifications Officer and award winning host of Unspeakable, Kelly Jennings. Kelly details her stint working at the prison and gives an interesting perspective from a female point of view.

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Chapters
02:57 KJ’s Journey Begins
07:32 First Day Insights
12:36 Navigating Authority and Respect
15:48 Challenges of Professionalism
18:37 Mistakes and Lessons Learned
21:35 Unexpected Encounters with Inmates
23:37 The Decision to Leave
25:00 Life Beyond Bloody Angola

You can listen to Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast By Kelly Jennings here:https://www.unspeakablethepodcast.com

For Louisiana Local Advertising inquiries or to book appearances please email BloodyAngola@gmail.com

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A wall Street line, shackle change, Oh do someome gird

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it's calling my name. There is no mercy and it's

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been a tentery juice as the hill Stream game Wrangle three.

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Come in by me to die inside these walls, inside

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the wild.

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Hadn't went no girl as I'm hey everyone, and welcome

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back to Bloody and Gola, a podcast one hundred and

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forty two years in the making, the complete story of

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America's bloodiest present. I'm Jim Chapman, and we have a

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little surprise for you today. Look and Gola. One of

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the most intriguing things about Louisiana State Ben and Gentry

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are the people that have worked there or have worked

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there in the past. I have a guest with me today.

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You're very familiar with her. She's done multiple episodes of

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Bloody and Gola in the past. She also has her

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own podcast, Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly Jennings.

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And today I'm going to go over a little bit

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with her of her experience getting introduced in Gola, working

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in Gola, the things she did there. It's gonna be

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a really interesting podcast. But first of all, welcome to

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Bloody and Gola.

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Kelly, thank you. I'm happy to be here.

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It's weird calling you Kelly. I usually call you kJ yeah,

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which I invented, and it's incidentally.

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Someone called me kJ a few weeks ago.

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We were somewhere and I just kept looking because I

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didn't hear it, because keep you know, in real life,

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you don't call me kJ.

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Some some people do. Now some people do. But my

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daughter tapped me on the shoulder and she's like, Mom,

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you're being rude. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.

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Well, welcome back to the show.

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I know you.

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I know you've done this show several times in the past,

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and I want to talk about today your personal experience

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with Louisiana State Penitentiary. And I guess we'll start off

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with how the interest got in your brain. Now, for

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those of you lestening that maybe have not met Kelly,

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it's hard for people to wrap their brain around anyone

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saying I want to go work at the largest prison

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in the United States of America, one of the most historic,

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but also a reputation for a lot of danger. There's

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primarily lifers at Louisiana State Bendentiary. You don't get locked

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up there for running red lights. And so you were

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a young female when you started correct.

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Yeah, I think I was twenty No, yeah, I was

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in my early twenties, early very early twenties, twenties.

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And at some point you made a decision and you said,

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I think I want to go work in prison.

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I did, okay, and I'm so excited.

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How does this happen?

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Okay, So I'll let me back up real quick.

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So I went to college at LSU, and I did

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not know what I wanted to do. I had resigned

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myself that I was gonna have to be a kindergarten teacher,

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because that my logic then was, hey, you know, more

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than a kindergartener, you probably could teach him.

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I'm serious. That's give you that maybe I could do that. Well.

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I took a my very first criminal justice class, criminology

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class with a professor named Yoshinori Como.

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And I was enamored.

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I did not know that that was such a class.

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Every word he said, I hung on. I literally read

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the textbook, which makes me a total nerve. But anyone's

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gone to college knows you're not going to sit down

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and actually read the textbook. You're real like hit some

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highlight moments. If you'ven buy the book. Yeah this, Mama.

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I sat down and I ate it up.

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Was it was it the teaching style of that. It was.

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It was his teaching style along with just the content.

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I was very very he knew what he was talking about.

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As matter of fact, he this kind of off topic. But

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he told me he was he was from Korea. I

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think if I had that wrong, don't don't come at me.

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But he said, y'all, y'all need to get your minds right.

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And you had this accent, you know, and he said,

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because y'all talk on the phone. Soon the years are

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coming this text text text, You'll only be texting people

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you don't know in America yet, you will only be texting.

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And I laughed at him. I'm like, I'm not texting.

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Look at us now. The man was cool. Ast crap.

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But anyway, shout out to him if he's still a professor.

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But he Once I took that class, that was it.

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It was on. All I did was watch forensic files

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and court TV.

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So my mom one day told me, she said, why

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are you in school taking all these education classes when

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all you do is love crime? I said, well, what

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am I gonna do, mamma, get a degree in crime?

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And she said, yes, it's stupid, and I was like, oh,

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my bad, mama. So she really got me into these,

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you know, into the mix of criminal justice. My senior year,

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I was sitting in a juvenile justice class and a

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warden came in from Angola. Her name is Kathy Fontnau

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and she is tiny but mighty, and she just started

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talking and I was fixated. I looked around the classroom too,

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I'll never forget this, and the other students, some of

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them were kind of like just looking down, looking at

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their phone, whatever, and I'm like hanging on.

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Every word that she said.

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So I started asking her questions about the rodeo because

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I had been to it and I wanted to know

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things about it. She looked at me, she said, what's

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your name? I said Kelly. She said I want to

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talk to you after class. I said okay, and I

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kind of took that as like be quiet, so I

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was like, all, dang, you know, well after class, sure enough,

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she said, you're really interested, aren't you. I said, Oh,

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I'm like, I'm like sickly interested. I've always loved prison

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and crime and all that she said, how about you

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come out to Angola and I will give you a

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personal tour. And I thought I had just been invited

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to the White House. I just you know, this is

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the greatest thing. And she made good on her word

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a few days late, because I graduated just a few

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weeks like two weeks later, three weeks later, and she

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took me up on it, and I showed up. She

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got me in her car, took me on a personal

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tour the facility for someone. She brought me in the

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dorms and she told me, she said, if you want

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a job, you've got one. Really yeah, And I said,

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I'll be here tomorrow or whenever you want me to

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be here.

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My mama cried, oh my god.

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Wow. Interesting.

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She said, you're good to my mom.

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You're gonna die, I said, Mama, I mean everyone can't

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die every day.

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Well, but look and looking back now, you're a parent.

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I'm a parent. I get that. I get it. I

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would be freaking the f out if my kid was like, yeah,

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I want to go working and go I mean, I

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think it'd be cool, and I would accept it, obviously,

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I was. I first thought was they'll kill you.

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That's what I want.

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Free.

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You think you are some kind of a badass.

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When I was, uh, you know, I'm twenty.

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I was five foot four, maybe one hundred and ten pounds,

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but a ball of dynamite, you know, rolled up in there,

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and I'm.

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Glad it did. I loved it.

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So that first day, let's talk about that. So you

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get hired eventually, and you get hired for what.

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So my job was what's called an ARDC specialist one.

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So you have to have a degree to I guess

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qualify classification.

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That's what the job was that I got. So classification

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is going to be.

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Someone that has a little bit more education than the

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average SAT.

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Bit you have to have a college degree.

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Yeah too, And so you know it's a little bit.

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I have a higher pay grade. I'm not acting like

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it's a warden or anything, obviously, it's it's it's still

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I would consider it entry level, but a little bit

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higher than that. And so my job was that when

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inmates would come in, I had to determine housing custody.

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And quarters of the inmates do that.

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So I was young, A lot of it was watching

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other people and trying to figure out what the hell

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they were doing. But this would be so you would

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have to look at what's called their jacket. Their jacket

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is their file. Basically you flip it open.

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They do.

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It's called aun and then you're looking and you're trying

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to determine what type of crime do they have, where

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are they from, how old are they?

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You know, everything is taken.

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Totality of circumstances taken in Now, obviously, if you're a

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death row inmate, you're.

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Going to death row su Hell, yeah, that's easy.

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But if you were really young, if you were under

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five foot seven and you're white, and you're a non

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violent offender, maybe you're three times in, you're out three

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strikes and you're out type thing or drug dealing or

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something like that, you're gonna be in a bind behind

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prism walls because you are going to be a target

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for sexual aggression and so things like that. You would

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look at them and say, all right, Padna, I'm gonna

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put you. So you have options. You We have dorms

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that are open. We have I say we I'm in

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no way affiliated with Angola, just to be fair, but anymore,

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we have working cell blocks wcb's how it would be written,

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working cell blocks. We have cell blocks there's lockdown, there's

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admin seg, there's all these different options. Majority of your inmates,

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if they're not really young, if they weren't seventeen something

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like eighteen, they're gonna go to a working cell block scenario.

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And so what that is is where you're in a

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cell block to sleep, to eat your lunch. But other

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than that, they wake you up at the buck crack

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of dawn. Get on your clothes. You're gonna walk out.

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They're gonna do count, which is taking attendance. They're gonna

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make you do what it's called dousen it up, which

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means you get into two lines that are right next

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to each other. You're gonna walk out the gate. There's

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going to be officers on horseback and they're going to

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escort you to the field. It's a working cell block,

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and so you're going to walk out with your tool

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whatever it's a hoe or whatever it is that you

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might need, swing blade or whatever. They walk you out

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to the field. You're going to pick your crops, work

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the fields. They'll march you back and you go into

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your cell to eat your lunch, and then they march

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you back out. Yeah, do your more work. The rest

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of your work and then they march you back in.

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Interesting, and so you basically classified these individuals and it

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was in an effort to maybe keep them safe as

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well to an extent. I mean, you know you don't

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want to put let me give you an example. If

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you're a if you're a guy, you got a goala,

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you're fifty five years old to get you don't necessarily

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look like a threw, right, although anybody in there, yeah right,

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it looks to some Yeah, to some extent, But do

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you take aging the consideration.

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Yeah, and you would also take okay, maybe not on paper,

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so I know there's someone who's gonna jump on my

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throomly no out of it. But if I'm looking at

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you and let's say, let's say you murdered somebody, Okay,

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anybody's capable of anything on any day. We have people

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that are in wheelchairs, that are very sickly that can

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still pull a trigger and kill somebody. However, the constitution

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still provides that I need to Once you're in our custody,

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we still have an obligation to protect you from obvious.

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Concerns.

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And so maybe you come in and you're elderly and

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you're frail, and you're in a wheelchair. Well, I'm not

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going to be inclined to put you with some young

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buck who's going to be able to manipulate, harass, and

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hurt you for obvious reasons because you can't defend yourself.

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Now you know, that's worst case type scenario I'm talking.

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I mean, most people are going to just have to

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bucket out.

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I mean, you're in prison.

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You're in prison. You better learn to But I can

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tell you too.

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And again, things have changed a lot since I've been there,

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and so like camp see I believe is now like

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a release camp type thing where we have people that

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come in.

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That used to be that if you.

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Weren't doing twenty years or more, you weren't really coming

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at angle. It's not that way anymore. But we used

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to have the main prison and then there's camps all

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around it. The main prison is divided into the east

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yard and the west yard, and we used to call

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the west yard the wild side. The east yard was

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more of like your old timer's been down there for

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a while. They're not necessarily old, but they've been there

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long enough to know the rules. They've calmed down a

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little bit. They don't want as much drama and all that.

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So we'd put those young bucks that they all, I'm

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coming to peruse them a fight. Okay, well you're going

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on the west side, the wild side, yeah, and then

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the other ones we kind of segregated off to the Yeah.

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Ones just wanted to do their time.

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Yeah.

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I like to think of it kind of like freshmen

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in high school versus seniors. There's a distinct difference between them.

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Interesting, So you start that first day, Tell me, do

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you remember what your first day was like? Do you

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remember nerves?

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Do you remember I did not have any nerves. I

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think it was maybe young and dumb.

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Yeah.

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I was more nervous about I didn't know what I

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was doing. Yeah, and I don't like that. Yeah, but

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I've quickly figured out that, you know, an inmate can

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and they will help you if you don't if you

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need information, But sometimes that can come at a cost,

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and so you have to just kind of learn how

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to navigate that. You know, you don't want to put

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all your trust into this inmate who's going to be

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very kind and very helpful and tell you all these

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nice things and blah blah blah when you're young. Okay,

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today I would tell someone to just get somewhere. But

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when you're very young and you're I'm twenty years old

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and I've got these sixty year old In all honesty,

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I've got these fifty and sixty year old men that

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are coming to me, and I'm running likes, you know,

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doing disciplinary boards and things like that. There was an

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element of these are my elders. And if you're not

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from the South, maybe it doesn't hit you that way.

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But I had to consciously remember I cannot say yes

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sir to you, and that that's been ingrained in me

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since I was a kid. Yes, sir and no, sir,

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But you can't do that in prison. I mean, you're

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the authority there. That was a learning curve, and I

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think that that was not necessarily addressed as it probably

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should be for young people coming into prison settings. They

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tell you about the games that are gonna be played,

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and you don't trust inmates, you know, blah blah blah blah.

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But there's a learning curve with your manners and yes sir,

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no sir. Let me tell you a little story. I

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think've told it before, but I'll tell I'll make it brief.

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But we do these these boards periodically where the inmates

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you do call outs. They come line up and then

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you call them in and you do it like in

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a quick assessment on them. It's required, and it's like,

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did you have a job on the street, what was

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your conviction?

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Blah blah blah blah, that kind of stuff.

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Well this I walked out on the walk and I

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had my paperwork and I said, mister Brown, mister Brown,

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and no inmate came up, but a lieutenant did on

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the tier and he snatched me in the room and

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he said, don't you ever call an inmate mister Brown.

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They you are the authority.

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And I was like, well, and he's like, no, no,

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you need to learn this and someone should have taught

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you this. Did you ever call an inmate mister that compromises,

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you know, the authority complict?

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I said, hold on.

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No, hear me. Now, you're not gonna be on my

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you know, blah blah. I said, his name is mister.

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He said what?

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And I turned the paperwork around. I said his first

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name is miss. He's like, oh shit, oh that's wild,

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it's weird.

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But his first name was mister, I said. So I

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walked out there. I was like inmate Brown, you know,

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because I but everybody you know, Brown's a common name.

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That's how I was called the first name.

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But shit, wow, yeah, that lieutenant felt like an ass.

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He's like, oh my bad, my bad. I was like, yeah,

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your bad.

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Yeah, okay, So what were the Okay, let me ask

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you this. You're you're young female, you know pretty thanks?

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What in that situation? What was the danger for you? Like,

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did they tell you you can't wear perfume? You can't.

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Yeah, so part of the rule book.

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You get a rule book, and they're very clear, there's

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no reason to be wearing perfume. There's no reason to

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have a ton of makeup on. There's no reason to

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have flashy jewelry.

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There you ought.

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Classification too, is not a uniformed position. It's like more

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of a professional level. Not that I don't want to

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say they're not profession We don't saying they don't issue

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a uniform to me.

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I wore slacks, I wore dress shirts.

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And things like business attire.

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Yeah, you start wearing really tight clothing, we have an issue.

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Did they have people that did not tell it?

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Yeah, they had a few people that I couldn't understand,

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like they would wear stiletto heels, and I'm thinking the

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fun like I have.

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To walk over the made on crazy girl I wear.

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I know, I wore boots like I had these le

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I had these leather boots.

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They were tall to wearing like barking stocks.

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Well, I had to have good walking shoes. You don't

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know how much walking that is. That's eighteen thousand acres,

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you know. So I wore these same boots almost every day.

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They were nice, professional looking, but I wore slacks, so

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you didn't know how tall they were or anything.

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And I walked the sole off of those shoes.

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I had to have them replaced. I did not understand

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the stiletto heels. I think you're asking and there's going

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to be people. How your dressed does not indicate, Okay,

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you're in prison.

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You're in prison men who ain't been with women in

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some of them in twenty years.

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Yes, so no, behind prison bars look nice, look professional.

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But there's a difference between you know, looking professionally looking free.

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Looking professional look.

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So yeah, I don't think I knew that I was

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pretty that enough that it affected my day in day out.

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I mean, I just was me. I got dressing on

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with the work.

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Yeah, Yeah, well luck and these guys are thirsty in there.

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Right there, there's wild buck Wilde. Ain't a lot of

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minks been around that shit. As a matter of fact,

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I've interviewed some former inmates who had spent many years

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behind bars, and one of the things that they said

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blew their mind when they got out of prison. One

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of the first things ain't notice was a smell of

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a woman. They said, you know, you go with Walmart.

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One of them described to me he went in Walmart,

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a woman walked past him and she had perfume on.

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He said, it blew me away. And he said the

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reason it did is because I hadn't smelled perfume in

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thirty years. Yeah, and this woman walks by me smelling

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so good. I mean, it's a little weird. But but

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for these guys, they aren't used to that, So I

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get it. You could have a major problem in prisons

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if you're you know, springing on Georgie.

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There's a way to be professional and also firm, firm

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but fair, you know, And and looks. My looks should

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have no in part on my job. And I you know,

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I guess I didn't think of it that way. Yeah,

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I just I went to work.

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Yeah, I get it. Uh, what was the Can you

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think of a mistake you made that was like a

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big mistake when you were there, something that looking back

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on it, you're like, wow, I'm lucky that Yeah.

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Well no, no, I do remember one time I accidentally

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walked in the camp with my cell phone in my pocket.

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You're not allowed to bring or then. I don't know

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what the rules are now, but the wardens have theirs.

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But I mean I should not have had my phone.

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And when I tell you, I felt like I had

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just committed the biggest a truck.

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I could not wait to get out.

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I turned around.

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Really, I was like, hi, you know, I was like

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trying to run to get out of the gates and

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go put my phone up.

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That I mean, that's interesting.

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Yeah that didn't.

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But I can tell you too that even when you

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do everything right, bad things happen. So I tried to

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help out. One time there was a woman that worked

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with me, and the inmates had been complaining that she

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wasn't making her rounds like she was supposed to. So like,

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if you're in a cell block, you know you can't

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get out to go get help from classification so classification

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does things like helps with your visitation list, or if

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you need to add an attorney to your phone list,

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or a friend or a family, or if they need

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a special visit. Maybe grandma's dying and they would like

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to see grandma on it and there's not enough time

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for them to come on the special or maybe grandma

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or mom, sister whatever it is from out of state,

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and they're only here for these days, and so those

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aren't visitation days. But please, can we work something out.

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I haven't seen my sister in twenty years, and so

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again their inmates. But they're people, and that's my job.

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My job is not to judge them behind bars. My

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job is to do my job. So there was some

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complaints that this woman wasn't making her rounds, and now

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that I don't work there, I'll say it's probably true.

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She was not a very nice woman either, So I said,

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you know what I feel like getting out.

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It's nice outside.

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I went and made my rounds on my tears that

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I was supposed to, and then I decided I would

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just go clean up and go make it extra rounds

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on her tears for her. So I went in, Hey,

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what you need hand? It out paperwork whatever. Well, shortly

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after that, I got a lawsuit filed against me and

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buy an inmate. It's called an arp and ARAPA administrative

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remedy procedure, but they it never made it to QUART

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or anything because it was so ludicrous.

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Yeah, but I was so young. It stressed me out.

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He sued me. He was like for millions of dollars

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what because he.

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Said that I was not making my rounds consistently and

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I only showed up once that month. Well, bitch, the

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reason I was down there once that month is I'm

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not your damn officer. I was doing extra so things

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like that would often.

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And they've got nothing but time, and they called lost

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them nothing to file a lawsuit because there are indigent

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laws in place that pay for them to file lawsuits.

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So they can file one hundred and a month and

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they really could care less. It's funny to them that

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you would have to take five minutes to actually deal

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with it.

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Yeah.

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Now, if I would have been walking that prison day,

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I'd be like, cool, lawsuit bro, have a nice day.

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Yeah, I got to be like, get out of my face.

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But yeah, I can't think of any big you know, huge.

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Well, the SELFI thing's interesting. Let me ask you this.

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Did you ever meet an inmate and you're thinking, I

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can't believe this guy's in here. Yes, yeah, a lot

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of them.

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Absolutely.

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One that sticks out to me and will always stick

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out to me he's out now, though, is an inmate

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named Joseph Greco. And he was so kind and his

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kindness did not strike the way other manipulative kindness struck.

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I met his mama at the rodeo. Yeah, he had

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he made furniture and he was a big guy, skiller

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at the time. He had a big must I think

478
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he had a big mustache, just a big guy. And

479
00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:07.799
I remember him saying, oh, he had kind of a

480
00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:09.400
coon ass accent, you know.

481
00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.359
Oh, miss Kelly, I want you to meet my mom.

482
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.359
And I was like, okay, cool, whatever.

483
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.480
So I walk over and there's this little old lady

484
00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.720
and my family's Boudreau's. Okay, we got the coon ass

485
00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.799
of all up in our family. And she was one too,

486
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:23.200
and she said, oh, can I hug you?

487
00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:24.880
Please? Can I hugg you? Take such good care of

488
00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:25.319
my son.

489
00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:28.279
You just so kind and kind. People don't come along

490
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.240
often like this, and blah blah blah blah, blah, And

491
00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:32.799
it just touched my heart because you know, I didn't

492
00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.680
know this lady from Adam, and then I got to

493
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.319
meet him, and some people are gonna go, well, oh,

494
00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.279
you were kind of close. No, it just so happened

495
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:40.160
at the rodeo that the family gets to be there,

496
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.119
and he got locked up before his daughter was even born.

497
00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.440
And I got to meet his daughter that day too,

498
00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.119
and she was an adult and pregnant with her grandbaby

499
00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.079
or with his grandbaby yea. And so he I don't

500
00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:54.920
know the true story one hundred percent. I'd have to

501
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:56.799
go look it up. From what I understand, I think

502
00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.160
he got in a bar fight and killed somebody. And

503
00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:04.799
the Joe Greco I knew was calm. He was older though,

504
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:06.440
think about it, he'd been down a long time.

505
00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:07.240
Yeah.

506
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.200
You know now looking back on it, it's like him

507
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:12.200
being me now, yeah, versus when I was twenty.

508
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:13.759
You're a different person.

509
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.440
Yeah, some people are, one hundred percent. I mean you,

510
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.039
even your hardest people. You know, you're different at forty

511
00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:23.039
than you were at twenty.

512
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.440
But I'll tell you too, I met.

513
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.839
Sixty than you were at forty.

514
00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:28.559
I met some at sixty who had the same mentality

515
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.799
that they did when they were twenty, and it was

516
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.039
like arrested development. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

517
00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:33.240
Bro?

518
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.240
Like you're sixty years old and I'm having a discipline.

519
00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:36.079
You get your life to go?

520
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:42.400
Yeah, good point. Well, at some point you decide to leave,

521
00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:46.319
and Gola tell me about that. What made that decision?

522
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.319
So it was a hard one because I really liked

523
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:50.599
my job. I loved my job. But I got a

524
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.720
phone call randomly. I was outside of Main Prison eating

525
00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:54.880
lunch in my car and I got a phone call

526
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.599
from someone or a message to call someone in Livingston

527
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.000
Parish from the school board, and I was like.

528
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:02.680
What in the hell?

529
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.480
So I called, and they were looking for somebody that

530
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.440
would be interested in starting a pilot program out in

531
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.680
Livingston Paris. They wanted to do a criminal justice program,

532
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.960
and so they had called Angola to ask did they

533
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.480
have anybody, but they needed someone who had a master's degree. Well,

534
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.000
I think I was the only at that time. I

535
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:24.119
was the only non I guess administrative level person that

536
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.400
had one. And so they took the number and sent

537
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:29.720
it to me and I called, and it just so happened.

538
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:31.119
I lived in Livingston Parish.

539
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.160
I was making a hell of a commute every day,

540
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:35.960
A long commute. That's how much I liked to my

541
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.440
job though. I'll tell you something. I loved it, and

542
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.319
so I just made the hard decision that that's what

543
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:42.880
I was going to do. Was closer to my house,

544
00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.759
it was a better fit. And don't you know that

545
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:46.880
lasted seventeen years.

546
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.359
I ain't that something, And you know it's important to

547
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:54.480
mention during your I guess ten year at Louisiana State

548
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.359
Benetton Tree also helped do the tours.

549
00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:58.559
Yes, I did.

550
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.440
People that would come in then at one point. And

551
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:02.519
how was that? You liked that?

552
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:03.039
I loved it.

553
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.359
Loved it.

554
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.400
Obviously I like talking on this on podcast, So telling

555
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.880
the stories and all of that was just so exciting

556
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.200
to me.

557
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:13.079
Yeah. Yeah. Were they any any escapes or anything while

558
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:14.480
you were there that you can recall?

559
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:15.920
Not?

560
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:17.519
While I was working there.

561
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.440
There was an escape while I was on a field

562
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:23.359
trip with students there, and they promptly kicked our ass out.

563
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.200
I remember you telling me, Yeah.

564
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:26.599
That was crazy.

565
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.839
He was a road walker, was his job, and so

566
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.400
basically he walked, you know again, eighteen thousand acres he

567
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.960
walked the roads, picked up trash whatever, and he just

568
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.160
walked away. He never made it for count and they

569
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.519
found him like a day or two later, laid up

570
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.319
in the late It been a like a creek bed

571
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:42.640
or a or a ditch or whatever.

572
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.839
And who was your warden when you were there?

573
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.079
The main warden cap it was Warden Kane.

574
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.720
Wow, probably the most famous of all.

575
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:51.599
I liked Warden Kane. I thought he was cool dude.

576
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.839
And uh, he wrote a book called Caine's Redemption. I

577
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:56.559
used to teach out of it in my class. He's

578
00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:01.160
the only warden that had ever seen the electric chair.

579
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.799
He may have seen a hanging an electric chair, and

580
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.240
you're like, what, he didn't see a hanging.

581
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.480
It was something about when he was young. I don't remember.

582
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:11.519
But he was the only one that had seen the

583
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.160
electric chair and multiple types of executions.

584
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:19.400
Yeah, yeah, well, and very heavily credited with bringing religion

585
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:24.039
to the forefront of Louisiana State Penitentiary, which then in

586
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:29.279
turn changed a lot of the culture inside of that prison.

587
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.599
A lot of that credited towards Burl Caine and the

588
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.279
things that he did. Of course, we've done a podcast.

589
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.279
We've got a three part episode way back there somewhere

590
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:44.039
with all about Burl Caine and his contribution to that prison.

591
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.640
And they send a thing out one day and we're

592
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.480
like to come to the main chapel, Main Prison Chapel

593
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:49.960
at three o'clock for a treat or something like that.

594
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:51.119
And I was like, well, let me go check that out.

595
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.400
And it was Aaron Neville. Oh yes, I got to

596
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:54.319
hear eron Nevill sing.

597
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:54.519
Oh.

598
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.119
I did the I did an episode on him and

599
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:00.160
the Neville Brothers when they did a concert there. Did

600
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.359
a whole episode on that somewhere back in back in

601
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:04.640
the archives if you will.

602
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.160
That was cool. You know, you don't expect that.

603
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:06.440
Yeah.

604
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:10.440
But also if people know the Ski Mask Rapist, which

605
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.680
was a big ski mask raper, he was an issue

606
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:14.599
for me because I was working. They moved me to

607
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.480
Camp Ja, which is no longer a thing, but that

608
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.960
was like the worst camp. It's like the lockdown, bad bad, bad,

609
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.119
bad bad stuff there, and they moved me there. I

610
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.720
think only worked there two days, three days. But the

611
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:28.920
ski Mask Rapist they said he was being seen too

612
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.599
frequently in my shadow basically like as I was walking,

613
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:34.440
and so they were like, yeah, they were like, we're

614
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:34.880
moving you.

615
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:36.200
I said, Okay, so I got moved back.

616
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.559
An interesting thing I've done an episode on him. And

617
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.160
interesting thing about him is he was kind of a player.

618
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.480
He was kind of a you know, he was not

619
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.680
an uh. He was a good looking guy for sche

620
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:48.440
mask rapists.

621
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.359
I never I don't remember.

622
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.599
I don't know how to say it, but well, he

623
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:58.440
was a reputation very charming guy and someone that liked

624
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.839
to drive flashy cars when he was on the loose.

625
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.279
So go back and listen to that facts if you,

626
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.880
if you get the opportunity. I got one last question

627
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.839
for you. So you mentioned that you ate lunch in

628
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.599
your car, but did you ever was that your thing?

629
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.440
Or did you ever eat in the cafeteria that the

630
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.599
prisoners cooked the feed?

631
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.640
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean I just happened to

632
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.119
be in my car because I was doing something.

633
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.559
I didn't go out to my CARDI lunch, but they

634
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.000
but they also used to have a place you could

635
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:25.359
go eat.

636
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.680
Lunch there that was cooked by free people too, at

637
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.119
the when they had the.

638
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.119
Golf course there.

639
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.640
But yes, I did eat the food from the camp

640
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.359
so at Camp D when I was there, they always

641
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.119
had chocolate chip cookies and then every now and then

642
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.200
they had these crab cakes. I know that sounds crazy,

643
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.960
but they did, and I freaking I know right, I

644
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.119
freaking loved it. And so I would call the I'd

645
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.720
call down there and I'd be like, hey, get me

646
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.000
a tray, and they say, what you want? I almost

647
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.400
some cookies and I want some crab cakes. And they'd

648
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:56.319
be like, you got it. And I'd be sitting there

649
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.119
like a little fat ass cookies.

650
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.759
And crab And I was going to ask you what

651
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.000
your favorite meal to get? Well, you answered that I

652
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:04.359
can tell you.

653
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:06.319
I can tell you this too, that them boys could

654
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:09.079
cook those greens. Now, I'm telling you, and I did.

655
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:10.279
I never liked greens, but.

656
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.599
I turned right there and yeah.

657
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.319
Yeah, And so I'm not gonna lie. I mean, I

658
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:16.759
ain't scared. I'll try me some food.

659
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.559
Look, one time, one time I went in in the

660
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.400
in the cafeteria and so you know my personalities, I'm

661
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.319
a goober whatever. And so I walk in there and

662
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.119
I can hear them singing. The inmates are cooking. I

663
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.319
can hear them singing some old blues or something in.

664
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:30.920
The in the back. And I was like, hey, hey,

665
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:32.839
y'all know who sings that?

666
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.359
And they were like, oh yeah, man, yeah, and they

667
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.000
turned into like punching each other, like what what was

668
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:37.279
his name?

669
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:37.920
What was his name?

670
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.559
And they go back and forth and I'm just sitting

671
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.440
there waiting and then he said the dame and I said, yeah, well,

672
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.599
let's let him do it. And I was just and

673
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.400
thens were like they started like ragging on the guy,

674
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.319
and I'm looking back on I probably would have don those.

675
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.680
Well, thank you so much for coming on. I just

676
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.319
want to you know, people are really intrigued about life

677
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.799
inside of that prison, not only from the the eight standpoint,

678
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.440
but people that have worked there at some point in

679
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.160
their lives. And we've had several people on. Thank you

680
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.680
for coming on sharing some of your experience. Everyone. Check

681
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.160
out Unspeakable with True Crime podcast by Kelly Jennings. If

682
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.240
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683
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684
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685
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686
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.920
forty two years of making the complete story of America's

687
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.960
bloodiest prison, Peace.

688
00:30:50.319 --> 00:31:02.079
A Wall Street line, Shackle Chain. It's calling by name.

689
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:11.039
There is no mercy, and it's been a tentery Jess,

690
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.920
as the Hillstream game rangold three.

691
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:25.960
I'm in be by me to die inside these walls,

692
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.119
inside the wise, And.

693
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.640
When nose I know it's so.

694
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:41.440
Bloody.

695
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:49.240
Anglebody, angle

696
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:01.839
And b