Nov. 21, 2024

Cold Blooded Killer: Felix Vail

Cold Blooded Killer: Felix Vail

In this episode of Bloody Angola, Jim explores the life of Serial Killer Felix Vail, a figure linked to the oldest cold case in history where the killer was sentenced to prison Jim delves into Vail's tumultuous upbringing and unpack details...

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Season 7

In this episode of Bloody Angola, Jim explores the life of Serial Killer Felix Vail, a figure linked to the oldest cold case in history where the killer was sentenced to prison Jim delves into Vail's tumultuous upbringing and unpack details surrounding his wife Mary’s tragic demise, as well as the mysterious disappearances of (2) subsequent partners.

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Timestamps
02:46 Early Life and Marriage
07:52 The Mysterious Disappearance of Mary
12:32 Investigation and Arrest 13:56 Life in California
15:59 New Relationships and Confessions
18:15 The Impact of Bill's Revelation
27:18 Marriages and Escalating Violence
31:17 Annette Craver: A New Victim
39:50 Patterns of Disappearance
45:47 Arrest and New Developments

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M a wall street line, shackle change, Oh someome girdie,

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it's calling my name. There is nu mercy and it's

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been a tentery juice as the huge stream game Rango three.

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Come in by me or die inside these walls, inside

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the wild and went no girls.

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I Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bloody Angola, a podcast

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one and forty two years in the making, the complete

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story of America's Bloody is President. I'm your host, Jim Chapman,

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and today I am bringing you the story of a

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man incarcerated in Louisiana State Penitentiary to this day that

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was convicted in the oldest cold case in history in

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which someone was convicted in this currently time, and that

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is serial killer Felix Veil. So in order to tell

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you this one, we're gonna have to go through this

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guy's entire life, which is absolute insanity from the beginning.

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So I'm going to take you way back to August

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nineteenth of nineteen thirty nine, and Felix Vale was born

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in the town of Montpelier, Mississippi. Now his young life,

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not a ton is known about it. He grew up

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on a farm, hardworking people, and he appeared to be hardworking,

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although his high school classmates and things like that say

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he was pretty wild. Now, in nineteen fifty seven, Felix

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moves to Sulfur, Louisiana, where he goes to work at

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a chemical plan. Now he's only eighteen years old at

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this point, but it's a different in history. Right by

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the time you're eighteen, most people are married, but everybody works,

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and he was doing just that, working at a chemical plant.

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And it's also at this point that he receives his

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high school diploma in Sulfur. So four years later, he

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marries Mary Horton in Eunice, Louisiana. This is on July

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first of nineteen sixty one. Now, let me tell you

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a little bit about Mary. She was a native of Unice, Louisiana.

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She was the middle child in her family. She had

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both an older and a younger brother. They were very

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protective of her. And Mary was beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, young lady,

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very popular. She was the homecoming queen in her high school,

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and she even won what was known as the tri

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Parish Beauty Pet, which was a big deal in that time.

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Mary graduates high school and she goes on to college

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following in her mother's footsteps, and that was McNee State University,

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and she wanted to be a teacher. Her mother was

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a teacher, and she joins ki Omega Sorority and her

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sorority sisters they described her as someone that could get

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pretty much any guy she wanted. She had the pick

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of the letter. Every guy was in love with her.

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I'm telling you, this lady was just a beautiful young lady.

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But it was Felix Veil who really won her over.

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And many people who knew Felix Veil during this time

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they described him as a lady's man, and he was

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a handsome man, very handsome man, hard working, seemed to

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have his life together, etc. At least that was the

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front that he put on. She's smitten, right. Mary is

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totally head over heels in love with Felix Veil, and

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within a year of meeting him, they were already engaged.

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Now her family, let's just say that they were less

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than excited about this. They didn't really know Felix from Adam.

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He was a guy that she was dating. He rarely

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came around them, so they weren't exactly pumped when she

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came up to them. Hey, we're getting engaged. As a

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matter of fact, her mother asked Mary's older brother, whose

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name was Alan, to write Mary a letter asking her

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to wait a little longer and get to know Felix

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a little better before she actually committed to be married

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to him. Mary looked up to her older brother Alan,

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so her mom thought that may have some effect. But

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this girl, she was in love with Felix and that's

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all there was to it. So despite those concerns, in

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July of nineteen sixty one, she would marry Felix, and

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within a year of getting married, they welcomed their first child, Bill,

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into the world. And Mary, as you may expect, she

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was an amazing mother by all accounts. She just loved

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Bill with her entire heart and soul. Everybody described her

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as the prototypical mother. But also around this time, her

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marriage to Felix was not so good. She loved being

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a mother and she wanted another child, and Felix was

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totally against this. He did not want her having another child,

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and they thought about it constantly. So Mary goes to

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her mother and she says, hey, look, I'm divorcing Felix.

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But this is a different time. It's the early sixties

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and in those days, you didn't just divorce like they

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do today. Divorce back then during that time had a

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major stigmatism tied to it, and when children were involved.

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When you had kids, that made it ten times worse.

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You were almost looked at as the scarlet letter if

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you had kids and you divorced your husband, even if

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it was a horrible marriage. So, although they couldn't stand Felix,

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her family and especially her mother, encouraged her to stick

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it out with Felix. They felt like it would be

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better for the child. So she had that conversation with

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her mom in just a couple of months after her

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mother spoke to her about that Mary would be dead.

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So let me tell you what happened. On October twenty

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eighth of nineteen sixty two, Felix he calls the police

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and he tells them a fishing story of swords. Now

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on his account, he says that he and Mary they

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go triteline fishing in the Calkashu River. It was a

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night and according to Felix, while they were going down

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the river, he heard her say, watch out, there's a stump,

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and he jerked the boat wheel to avoid that stump

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and she fell overboard. Now, he implied that she may

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have hit her head on that stump, but for whatever reason,

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she never surfaced. Now, his whole story would change years later,

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but for now, this is what he was saying. Now.

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Right away, her family knew something didn't smell right, something

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was wrong with that story. First of all, Mary was

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afraid of the water. They said it would be near

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impossible to even get her to agree to go on

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a boat, and even if she agreed to do that,

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there was no way she would agree to go on

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a boat at night, and definitely no way she wouldn't

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have been wearing a life vest had she done all

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of the things I just told you. And they gave

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the reason for this as an incident she had in

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high school where she was on a boat pier and

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the wood on the boat pier was written in a

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spot and she actually fell through the boat pier and

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almost drowned in the water and was just totally afraid

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of the water ever since. So on October twenty eighth,

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when Mary is reported as having fell in the river,

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the police they do what you would think they would do.

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They gather search teams, and especially with her popularity, even

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the general public gets involved, and two days later they

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find Mary's body in the Calcashu River. So next an

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autopsy is performed and some strange things are discovered. First,

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she had no water in her lungs. Now, when you drown,

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as you can imagine, you take that last breath, right,

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you're underwater, you're drowning and you and all you suck

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up is water, so you swallow that water and then

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you die. And if she did not have water in

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her lungs, that would be a pretty heavy indication that

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she died somewhere else and was done in the river.

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And second, the autopsy report also noted a very large

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bruise on the back of her head and extended all

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the way down to her neck. And it noted she

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also had a very large scarf and it was shoved

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four inches down in her mouth and that's a lot.

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That's like halfway down your throat.

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Right.

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She also had scratches on her body which appeared as

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if she had been dragged and it formed those scratches.

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Now that's a ton of evidence, right. Well, the police

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they felt like it was evidence, but didn't feel like

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it was enough, but they did go ahead and arrest

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Felix veil. So he goes down to the station and

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they asked him, hey, you want to take a polygraph,

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and surprisingly he agrees, and while they were in the

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process of kind of getting all that set up calling

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a polygrapher to come in and perform the polygraph, he

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just walks out of the police station. Now, technically they

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didn't have enough to hold him, so there wasn't really

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a way to now arrest him. He was free to

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leave whenever he wanted. They really took him down there

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for questioning, so when he left, they couldn't like go

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arrest him again. They just didn't have enough to hold him.

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But they did track him down and they said, hey,

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you forgot to take your polygraph, and he said, eh,

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I changed my mind, I'm not going to take it.

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And there wasn't a whole lot they could do about

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that except for continue to investigate the case. So shortly

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after all this occurs, Felix he becomes almost shunned in

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the town that he was living in. Everybody knew about this,

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it was high profile.

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This shit just didn't happen in those days, and he

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wanted to get out of there, so he moves back

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to Mottpeelier, Mississippi with his young son Bill.

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Not much of note really occurs over the next couple

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of years. The case remains unsolved, right, and in nineteen

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sixty five, Felix moves again, this time to San Diego, California.

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He actually had a younger brother who was stationed at

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Navy boot camp there, but he didn't take Bill with him.

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He left Bill with his parents to kind of raise

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him when he went to San Diego. And it's at

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this point that Felix starts working for a doctor conducting

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cardiovascular research, and he starts taking college courses at night.

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He's trying to get his life together, right. So in

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nineteen sixty six, he goes back to Mississippi and retrieves Bill,

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and he actually said the reason for him doing that

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was that Bill was getting spoiled by his parents and

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he felt like he wanted to save Bill from getting spoiled.

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He felt like he wasn't going to be a man

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and be able to survive in life. They were just

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babying him too much. So he goes gets Bill and

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goes back to San Diego and they move into an

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apartment together. Then in nineteen sixty seven, he meets Robin

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Sinclair at a bus stop. Now, she was seventeen years

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old at the time and a typical flower child of

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the late sixties early seventies, right, the whole piece in

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love era and hitch hiking and smoking dope and you know,

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just life is gummy bears at that point, I guess

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you could say. And they start dating over that summer.

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But once that summer ended, Robin she goes back to

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San Francisco where she lived. She goes back home, and

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that summer romance was pretty much over, but not for long.

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In nineteen sixty eight, they actually reunite after they run

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into each other to concert, and they fall in love

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and they spend twenty four to seven together, and Robin

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described that as it was pretty much twenty four to

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seven smoking weed and just living off the land and

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you know, hippie type stuff. But she ends up pregnant

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during this time, and she tells Vail about her pregnancy.

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The very next day, Veil and his son disappear out

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of her life, which would probably be the best thing

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for her. As we go along, Then in nineteen sixty nine,

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Veil meets an absolutely beautiful woman by the name of

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Sharon Hensley in San Francisco, and she's twenty one years old.

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They start dating and Bill, who is eight years old

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at this time, Felix Veil's son. One night, he overhears

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his dad Felix tell Sharon Hensley that he killed Mary.

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So this is where it gets really crazy. Eight year

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old Bill he sneaks out and he walks several miles

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to a police station and he tells the police about

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the confession and that his dad does drugs. He tacked

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that onto the story as well. So imagine if you're

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the police, this eight year old kid comes in. He says, Hey,

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my dad killed my mom. By the way, I'm eight

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years old and I walked here miles. But my dad

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killed my mom. I heard him say it, and he

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does drugs twenty four to seven. So the police probably

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bought the second thing more than the first thing, if

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you will. But they do go to where Felix was

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due to the amount of drugs that they found in

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that apartment, they arrest him. So they got a trial

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on that drug case and they'll receives a six month

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jail sentence, plus he gets three years probation. After pleading

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guilty to a lesser charge of LSD possession. LSD during

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that time everywhere totally prevalent. Everybody was doing it, and

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likely that's why LSD was a lesser charge. As far

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as the murder confession, I mean, this was the word

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of an eight year old. It wasn't enough to arrest

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Veil for murder. They did ask him about it and

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he said, I mean, come on, my son's eight years old.

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That's not what I said. But Bill's time of hanging

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out with his dad had ended by this point, obviously,

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as things would go down, and he returns to Mississippi

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to live with his grandparents while Veil was in jail,

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and during that time, his grandparents actually gained full custody.

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gets out of jail, and they're still dating. They're still

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in love, right, and he decided he wants to go

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see Bill now that he's out of jail. And on

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January twenty third of nineteen seventy one, Felix Veil and

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Sharon Hensley show up in the driveway of Felix Vale's

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parents' house to go see Bill, and he said he

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stood there frozen wondering where he could run. He said,

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he really thought my dad was going to kill me.

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Then he said, my grandmother came back out and reassured

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me that he wasn't going to kill me. So Veil's

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family they question Felix and Sharon as to how they

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could even legally be in Mississippi. You know, they're thinking,

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y'all are on parole. You're not supposed to leave California

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while you're serving your probation time. And he says, well,

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we're not. I used to legally be here. We just

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left California. So comes to the house they stay the night.

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The next day the sheriff arrives because California, the parole

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officer there realizes that Vale is gone. He calls Mississippi

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and says, go check his parents' house, and sure enough,

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Vail's parents say, well, he ain't here. We ain't seen him.

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You know, they're not going to turn him in, but

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he was there, and four days later, Felix, Veil, and

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Sharon they duck down in the floorboard of a vehicle

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and his family actually drives him to a bus station

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in Granada, Mississippi, him and Charon, and they give him

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you know, one hundred bucks and basically say go back

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to California. So that's just what they did. And in

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the summer of nineteen seventy two, Sharon appeared unannounced with

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Veil at her home in Bismarck, North Dakota, and they

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basically hitchhiked there. They were living the hippie life right,

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just smacking weed and playing in fields, whatever they did

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back then when they were hippies. And the more the

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family witnessed when they got to North Dakota, the more

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kind of horrified they became. Sharon was not the same

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Sharon that they knew prior to Felix Veil. She was

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very conservative before she met Felix Vale, but now she

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wears many skirts with no panties. Her brother said she

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had armpit hair and leg hair like a man, and

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he said, I thought she was freaking way out. She

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had also lost a lot of weight and with it

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some of her curves. She just looked very skinny, like

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drug skinny, like you're doing heroin all the time skinny.

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He went on to say she seemed brainwashed. You could

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just tell she was not the same person that this

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guy was controlling everything she was saying. If someone asked

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her a question, Felix would answer the question for her,

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or she would look at Felix while she was giving

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the answer. And the brother even recalled going one day

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with Vail to the Elks Club, which was a big

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club back in those days all over the United States.

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Sharon's father he was a member of that local Elks

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Club and they had a workout room in there, and

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he said, Felix just out of the blue, gets totally

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naked and starts exercising, but ass naked. Then he walks

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in the steam room naked, and these older gentlemen they

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freak out because here he was this hippie looking guy

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and he's walking around the Oaks club balls swinging right.

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So they basically say, you can't hang out here anymore

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like this, and the couple they leave and they go

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back to Mississippi, and they go back to Montpelier and

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they stay with VAL's family on their dairy form. But

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even there they were very kind of promiscuous. They always

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sunbathed completely nude, and neighbors would see this and they

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would be like, what is the deal with your son

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and his girlfriend, so it was embarrassing to his parents.

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Now back at Sharon's home in Bismarck, North Dakota, her

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parents hadn't heard from Sharon since they left. But in

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nineteen seventy two, Sharon calls her mother and she says

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that her and Veil they're going to head to New Orleans.

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They're gonna hang out there for a while, and then

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they're gonna go to Florida and they're gonna make pornographic films.

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That's something you want to hear from your daughter, right,

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Just different time, y'all. But and she was out of

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control obviously, and she is hanging with the wrong cat.

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As we will get into later, Vail and Sharon they

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do just that. They go to New Orleans and Sharon

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Hensley she works as a table dancer at a strip club,

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something Val said later on that she had done before.

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This wasn't her first time being an exotic dancer. She

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worked in sam Bernardino, California, and Albuquerque, New Mexico as

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an exotic dancer, according to him, and Val even said

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guys would give her one hundred dollars to dance on

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the table, a lot of money back then, rather than

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go to the next table, they would give her another

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one hundred dollars, and he said that she would make

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sometimes one thousand dollars a night, big time money back

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in the early seventies for sure. So in February of

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nineteen seventy three, Sharon calls her family again and she

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says that her and Vale have travel plans. They're going

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to travel to South America. And that was the last

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phone conversation any family or friends ever had with her. Again,

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they did receive a letter from Sharon, and the letter

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contained a picture, and the picture showed her holding a

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pen and she was sitting at a table at the

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home of Vale's parents, and it was polaroid pictures. Back then, y'all,

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they didn't have cell phones. It was enstematic polaroid pictures.

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And she had wrote on that polaroid making travel notes.

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I actually have that picture and I'll post that on

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the Patreon for the Patreon members. Sadly, that was the

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last time Sharon's family ever heard from Sharon period Now,

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in nineteen seventy four, Sharon's family received a letter from Vail,

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and in that letter, he told their family that Sharon

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had met a couple from Australia and she was traveling

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around the world on a sailboat with him, and he

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basically says, they invited me along, but hey, I got

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too much shit going on here, so I told them,

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y'all and Sharon can just go traveling around the world

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on your sailboat. I got too much to take care of.

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This is his story. But again, Sharon had not been

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seen or heard from by anyone since nineteen seventy three

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to this day. So let's get into nineteen seventy five

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in Felix falls in love again. This time he marries

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a teenager by the name of Sharon Campbell. But that

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marriage only lasted a couple of days. So what happened

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in this one? The teacher one night she gets into

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Felix's car, and she stated that she saw three surgical

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saws in the back seat. You know, the surgical saws

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that you used to cut bone. She sees those in

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the back seat of that car, and as it would

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freak out likely anyone, it freaked her out so bad

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in fact, that the next day she left the marriage

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and never saw Felix veil again. She did note that

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the marriage was never consummated, so fast forward to nineteen

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seventy seven and yet another marriage for Felix, this time

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to a lady named Carolyn. So they get married in

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sam Bernardino, California, and just a few months later, while

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Veila is still married, he meets another woman and her

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name is Alexandria Christiansen, and she said, this is her quote,

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the man had the most gorgeous blue eyes I had

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ever seen in my life, and he seduced me without

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much trouble. Now, according to her, the two of them

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they fall in love over one night. Basically, they traveled

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to Mexico, he gets a quickie divorce, as she described it,

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and the two get married the same day. It's the seventies,

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so after a night at a San Diego hotel, they

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spend the next day at the San Diego Zoo and

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the marriage it continues, but throughout a short period of time,

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she starts to hear that Veil is cheating on her,

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so she kicks him out of the house and they're

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gonna get a divorce, right But during that time of separation,

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Veil he wrecks his motorcycle and he calls her and

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he's got a sob story that he needs her to

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help him recuperate, right, So she says, okay, you can

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come to my condo and Costa Messa and you can

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recuperate here. At some point, she confronts him again about

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all this cheating, you know, and this is why we're separated, right,

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And he gets agitated and he starts talking about his

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first wife. And during this argument, he says, you know

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my first wife died, right, and she tells him, yeah,

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she died in a bating accident. Told me about that.

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You told me she drowned, and she said. He replied,

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I could have saved her, but I chose not to.

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So yet another half assed confession from Vel. Well, that statement,

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it kind of freaks her out, as you would imagine,

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so she tells, well, look, you gotta go now. You're

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telling me you killed you ex wife. And in an

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effort to kind of calm herself down, she says, I

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started running the shower and I was going to take

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a shower, just a long, hot shower, to calm down.

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But while in the shower, Vell throws open the shower

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door and she said, the next thing I know, his

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hands are around my neck and I was screaming, and

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my kid brother, who was living with us. He came

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in running. He grabs Felix and knocks him to the ground.

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That kind of freaked Felix Vail out and he leaves Christiansen.

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She later discovers she was pregnant, but she did say

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that the baby arrived still born. So throughout the next

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few years life it's pretty uneventful for Veil, that is

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until August of nineteen eighty one, when he met a

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fifteen year old at a yard sail in Houston, Texas

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by the name of a net craver. So to tell

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you a little bit about a net craver, when he

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meets her at this yard sale, she's just fifteen years old,

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and also around the age of fifteen, her father is

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killed in a car crash and that leaves her mother,

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Mary Rose, and herself alone, and it took a big

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toll on her. Now. Prior to her father's passing in

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that car accident, they were a well to do family,

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kind of upper middle class, and her dad had a

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great job and he had a lot of life insurance

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which was left to a net craver. But she loved

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her daddy and she was very depressed over this. She

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began to withdraw from friends, and it was really apparent

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to anyone who knew her that she was very, very depressed.

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So the yard cell happens, and at that yard cell,

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Felix Veil shows up, who at this time is forty,

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which incidentally was close in age as her newly deceased father.

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So they start talking. Now, around this time, her mother

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gets a job, a really good job in Oklahoma offer

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she can't turn down right, but a neck craver. She's

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very smart, so smart in fact, that she skipped a

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couple of grades in high school. So even though she

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was fifteen, she was about to graduate, she just had

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a year left, and her mother did not want to

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uproot her, considering all the changes she had already had

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in her life with her dad passing and everything else.

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So her mother had a good friend and she said, hey,

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can a Nette stay with you until she graduates and

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I can get my feet underneath me with this new

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job and buy a house. The friend agrees, and looking

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back on this now, of course, her mom knows that

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was a huge mistake because what her mom did not

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know that was while she was away in Oklahoma, a

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Nette had started a full blown relationship with Felix Veil.

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So over the next year, Annette suddenly disappears with Veil.

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She would write her mom letters, but always from a

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different place, and it was two years later before her

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mom gets a phone call from her daughter. At this time,

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her daughter is seventeen and she is asking for her

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mom's approval to marry Vale. And the reason is she

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had to have the approval. She was only seventeen and

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wherever they were living, you had to be eighteen to

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get married, and without her mom signing off on that,

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she couldn't get married. So her mother, you know, first

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reaction is, fuck, no, I'm not going to sign that.

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But she knew one thing. If I don't, I'm going

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to lose my daughter forever. And so she reluctantly decides

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she's going to go ahead and improve it. As you

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may expect, it's doomed from the start between these two.

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Felix in a Net. At some point during the marriage,

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a Net becomes pregnant, but Veil, who you know, doesn't

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like kids, right, he forces her to have an abortion.

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He's very controlling, as you would expect, And all of

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this before this poor girl turns eighteen. So eventually even

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00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.840
an eighteen year old could figure it out, and she

464
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.159
leaves Felix at one point and goes to live with

465
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.760
her mother. Now it's important to note at this point

466
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.920
this young lady had a trust account when she turned

467
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.320
eighteen years old. She had a lot of money coming

468
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.440
to her, and her and her mother they get this

469
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.480
house together, and I'm telling you that for a reason

470
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.800
that will come up later on. But eventually Felix tracks

471
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.280
her down and he starts calling a net over over

472
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.679
and over again, and her mother would answer the phone

473
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.360
and say, fuck you, you're not seeing her leave us alone,

474
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.360
all those sorts of things, but Felix, he wouldn't stop.

475
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.280
Then one day Felix shows up at their house and

476
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.639
he just barges in the door. He wants to see

477
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.400
a net. She comes down, I'll talk to him, that

478
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.440
kind of thing, and it starts up again with Felix

479
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.960
in a net, and he just had this control over her,

480
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:35.599
this mind control, And somehow Felix convinces us our, hey,

481
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.760
you need to kick your mom out of the house.

482
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.840
She's causing problems with us. He totally manipulates it, and

483
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.280
she does a net, kicks her mom out of the house,

484
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.000
and you may say, well, how can she do that?

485
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:53.079
The house is half her mother's in half hers. Well,

486
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.440
she just puts so much pressure on her and made

487
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.400
her feel so uncomfortable that her mom was like, fuck it,

488
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:05.440
I'll leave. She leaves, moves to California, and a Net

489
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.880
at this time had just turned eighteen. She inherits her

490
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.880
dad's life insurance policies, which totaled one hundred thousand dollars,

491
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.880
which in today's money is about a half a million dollars,

492
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.480
and she also inherits two homes that he had. And

493
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.079
Felix at this point has total control over this eighteen

494
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:33.599
year old girl, and he convinces her to transfer everything,

495
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:40.719
including the house deeds, into his name. And then her

496
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.519
mother doesn't hear from her for a long time. She

497
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:50.679
tries to call her, she writes her letters, nothing's being

498
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.119
responded to. As matter of fact, she figures out she's missing.

499
00:37:55.239 --> 00:38:00.159
Nobody's seeing her. So on October twenty second of nineteen eighty,

500
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.920
her mother reports her missing and the police. They go

501
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:09.000
pay a visit to Felix Veil, who said that the

502
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.079
last time he knew of her whereabouts, she was bored

503
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.239
in a bus in Saint Louis and she was going

504
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.199
to go to Mexico. He stated this occurred in September

505
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.320
of nineteen eighty four. So Felix tells the police that

506
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.880
she suffered from mental illness and left on her own accord.

507
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.599
He didn't tell her to leave, it was her idea

508
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.599
to leave. And although the police didn't exactly buy this story,

509
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.000
primarily because one of the things is he said he

510
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.800
brought it to a bus station that didn't exist. That

511
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.840
would be a clue, but they didn't really have anything

512
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.559
to go off of, no evidence of foul play whatsoever.

513
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:58.920
So in December of nineteen eighty four, Felix files for

514
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:05.440
divorce and he cites irreconcible differences and marriage desertion. And

515
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.000
they asked him about the cash that she had. She

516
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.360
apparently had a lot of cash from her dad's trust funds,

517
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:14.519
some fifty thousand dollars in cash, and he said, hey,

518
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.440
she took that with her. I don't have any of

519
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.639
that cash. Bullshit. I'm calling bullshit on that. They also

520
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:24.199
asked about her belongings and her clothing and he said, hey,

521
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.960
I gave all that to the Salvation Army. She left

522
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.280
me and said she wasn't coming back and getting it.

523
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.519
She didn't want it, so I gave it to the

524
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:37.440
Salvation Army. At this point, Felix's first wife dies under

525
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:45.239
very strange circumstances. Then his longtime girlfriend disappears, supposedly going

526
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.000
to sail around the world with another couple on a

527
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.519
boat and is never heard from again. And then another wife,

528
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.599
she leaves him because he tries to choke her to

529
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:01.280
death in the shower. And now his most recent wife

530
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:08.599
disappears without a trace. You see a pattern here, three women,

531
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.480
all with only one thing in common, and that was

532
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:20.960
Felix veil So Rose she was actively searching for her

533
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:26.960
daughter a Net still, even though nobody really outside of

534
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:32.519
her was, and she started contacting anyone who knew a

535
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.800
Net or Felix and asking if they had information. She

536
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:40.559
hired private detectives, and it was during that process that

537
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:47.239
she finds out about Mary's death and Hensley's disappearance. So

538
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.719
Felix he finds out she's kind of digging right, and

539
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.679
he writes Rose a letter and accuses her of slandering him.

540
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.519
And in that letter he said that Annette had emotional problems,

541
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.559
I mean from roses bad parenting, so he's going to gaslighter, right,

542
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.760
it's all your fault. And he also called a net

543
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.360
a zero image whore, whatever that means, and said he

544
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.440
wouldn't reveal where she was even if he knew where

545
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.639
she was. So in September of nineteen eighty five, almost

546
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.440
a year after Annette's disappearance, Felix told her mother that

547
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.679
a Net contacted him and said she was traveling with

548
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.960
two men among the natives in the jungle and they

549
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:44.760
had a baby. This guy can spend some stories, right,

550
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.719
one person takes off and they're going to sail around

551
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:50.880
the world with a couple. Now he's got another one

552
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.079
that's living in the jungle with the natives and had

553
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.320
a baby. He also made claims later on that in

554
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.320
either nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty seven, he went

555
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.519
to Mexico to search for a NET, but his passport

556
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.840
never showed any evidence of a trup to Mexico because

557
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.840
people would ask him when you ain't went and looked

558
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.480
for He also claimed he had repeated contact with a

559
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.239
Net since her disappearance, but he was never able to

560
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.280
produce any evidence of ever talking to her or having

561
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.159
letters of her that she wrote to him. Look, Felix

562
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.159
Vale also kept a diary throughout the nineteen eighties and

563
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.920
police went through that entire diary and there was never

564
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.400
any mention of him having heard from a net. So

565
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.719
it was a freaking lie, right, So the FBI they

566
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:50.599
start investigating Felix as a possible serial killer in nineteen

567
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.599
ninety three, and the way that they arrived at this

568
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.800
conclusion was just to look at statistics.

569
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:00.639
It is.

570
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:08.400
Very improbable statistically that he would just at a sheer coincidence,

571
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:13.760
have one wife and one girlfriend who disappeared and another

572
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:19.400
wife who died under suspicious circumstances without him being involved.

573
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.199
It's almost an impossibility that just don't happen in life

574
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.440
one of the three, maybe even two of the three,

575
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.679
the three of the three. So they interviewed one of

576
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.360
Felix's girlfriends from the nineteen eighties, the FBI as they

577
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.400
start investigating this in nineteen ninety three, and she said

578
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.079
he was physically violent towards her and eventually she got

579
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:48.679
a restraining order against him. It was that bad. So

580
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:53.079
he has a history of being violent, but the FBI

581
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.079
just couldn't find any solid information. In the following year,

582
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:05.320
in nineteen ninety four, they close the investigation. Now Felix

583
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:12.559
and Mary's son Bill, he actually sadly died in two

584
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.599
thousand and nine at the age of forty six, but

585
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.159
before he died, he made a video statement of everything

586
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.599
he claimed he heard his father say about his mother's death.

587
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:31.039
And one of Felix's neighbors from the nineteen sixties said

588
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.480
he had cursed his first wife and claimed he killed

589
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:40.920
her because she was pregnant again. So in twenty twelve,

590
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:47.880
the police open up Mary's investigation into her death as

591
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:53.880
well as Hensley and Annette's disappearances. They started investigating this again.

592
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.239
And what do you think caused them to do that, Well,

593
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.880
more than anything else, it was a reporter of for

594
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:09.199
a Mississippi newspaper that ran some articles on these strange

595
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:13.599
cases in their relation to Felix Vale. He was an

596
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:18.119
investigative reporter, and it lit the whole freaking world on

597
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:22.639
fire at this time. Now Felix, at this time he

598
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.199
was living in Mississippi, and when this reporter, Jerry Mitchell,

599
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.840
tried to interview him about these missing women and Mary,

600
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:39.800
he suddenly leaves the area. He freaking moves and in

601
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:47.039
May of twenty thirteen, Felix gets arrested in Commell County,

602
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:55.320
Texas and he gets charged with the murder of Mary

603
00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:03.599
in nineteen sixty two. Now, I want to back up

604
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.519
for a second, and I just want to say in

605
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.039
nineteen ninety seven, and that's mother, she holds a memorial

606
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:16.079
service for her daughter in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and the Tulsa,

607
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:22.559
Oklahoma police they're still investigating that case. Right, She's still

608
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.559
a missing person even to this day. And of course

609
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:33.000
foul play is expected. But the one good thing to

610
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:38.079
come out of this is now Felix gets arrested for

611
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.440
Mary's murder. What do they do after and arrest, Well,

612
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.320
they have a trial, and we're going to get into

613
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.119
that trial next week. We're going to get into what

614
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:54.639
happened in that second arrest and all the details moving

615
00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:01.039
forward with Felix Veil. Thank you so much for listening.

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until next time, I'm Jim Chapman for Bloody Angola, a

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podcastty two years in the making, the complete story of

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America's Bloodies Present Peace.

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A Wall Street line, shackle, chains, gird it's calling my name.

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There is no mercy and this being a tanery use

623
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sass the huge stream game Ranger three. I'm in bed.

624
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By me to die inside these walls, inside the wild,

625
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:37.599
and when the cries, I know it's abody angleer ohbody

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angle