Jan. 19, 2026

Buried Alive: The Incarceration of Tiffany Cole

Buried Alive: The Incarceration of Tiffany Cole
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Season 9

In this episode of “Bloody Angola Podcast”, Jim dives deep into the story of Tiffany Cole, the Florida convict behind one of the most gruesome crimes in recent history. From her role in the 2005 kidnapping of retirees Carol and Reggie Sumner, to the nightmarish details of their burial alive in a remote Georgia grave, Jim unpacks the greed-fueled plot that led to her conviction and the new law in Florida that enabled her to escape Death Row.

Chapters
02:29 The Early Life of Tiffany Cole 
09:43 Life with Violence
15:47 A Dark Turn
20:37 The Disappearance of the Sumners
23:13 The Investigation Ramps Up
31:47 The Arrests Are Imminent
36:20 Michael Jackson's Interrogation 
01:24:16 The Weight of Evidence

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A wall street line, shackle change, Oh weesome, gird, it's

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calling my name. There is no mercy and it's been

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a tentery juice as the huge stream game Rango three,

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come here by.

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Me to die.

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Inside these walls, inside the wild, hadn't went the girl

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as I.

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Bloody and Gola, a

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podcast one and forty two years in the making, the

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complete story of America's bloodiest prison. I'm Jim Chapman. And look,

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last week I brought you the story of what many

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consider the most dangerous male prisoner ever in the history

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of prisons in the United States, and that was the

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story of Thomas Silverstein, otherwise known as Terrible Tommy. So

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after I finished up that story, it got me curious

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on who would be considered the most dangerous female prisoner

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in the United States. But I wanted to cover someone

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that was still alive and still incarcerated in prison, and

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one stood out.

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To me more than others in my research, and.

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That was an inmate currently incarcerated in Florida for the

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murder of an elderly couple after kidnapping and robbing them.

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And so today I'm going to tell you the story

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of Tiffany Coal. And she had some co conspirators that

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I'm going to touch on as well, but the majority

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of this all about her. So in order to tell

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you why Tiffany Cole ended up where she ended up,

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we have to start at the beginning and her upbringing,

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her background, if you will. And as is common with

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a lot of people that end up where Tiffany Cole

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ends up, it usually starts with a traumatic childhood. Not

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all cases, but a lot of cases that I see,

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and this story will be no different. So Tiffany Cole,

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she was born on December third of nineteen eighty one

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in Charleston, South Carolina. And Charleston, South Carolina, y'all, a

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very historic coastal city known for its cobblestone streets, its

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Southern charm, and historically speaking, it was a major port

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back in the day, featuring Antebelle homes, plantations, and significant.

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Civil War sites.

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Fort Sumterter, for example, is in Charleston, South Carolina. There

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are a lot of beautiful beaches there, they have great food,

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just an amazing place to live and visit. As a

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matter of fact, Charleston attracts millions of visitors each year

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to its downtown area and as beautiful as Charleston, South

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Carolina is where Tiffany Cole grew up. Unfortunately, her family

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life was a stark contrast to that beauty, and from

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the beginning her life was difficult. Her mother, Shirley Duncan,

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was sixteen years old when she had Tiffany. She was

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unweeded at the time, and the father was a guy

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named David Duncan Senior, and he was in prison at

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the time of her birth, So you can imagine the

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amount of instability that comes with that. Now, Initially, she

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would live with her mother and her maternal grandmother, and

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the family would frequently move to different areas of Charleston,

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South Carolina, and they would rely heavily on government assistance.

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They just never had any money. Man, they were struggling. Now,

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sometime in the early nineteen eighties, during her toddler years,

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her parents would eventually marry. After her father got out

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of prison. He would provide some financial support, but it

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was strictly financial. He showed very little emotional interest in

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his daughter, according to Tiffany, So with all of this turmoil.

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It wasn't long.

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As a matter of fact, it was nineteen eighty six,

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when Tiffany was just five years old, that her parents

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would divorce, and, as is common in a lot of divorces,

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she's going to be shuttled back and forth between her

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father and her mother, and you know a lot of

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instability with that. He was also around this time that

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her brother, dj was born, and things were so unstable

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in their households that she would become kind of like

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a surrogate mother to her younger brother due to all

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this instability, even at the young age of five. Now,

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in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties, during

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her childhood, the environment would get even more turbulent for Tiffany.

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She would witness physical abuse toward family members, including her

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brother getting physically beat by her stepfather allegedly, and she

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would even describe an incident later on in life where

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her stepfather broke a puppy's neck by throwing it against

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the wall, and she would characterize that as a time

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in her life where that was extremely traumatic because she

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had such an affection toward animals like a lot of

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us do now. It was during this time that her

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family lived next door to a couple, and the couple's

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name were Carol and Reggie Sumner and her father would

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become friends with this couple, being that they were next

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door neighbors. Right now, this couple, of course, is going

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to come into play heavily, very heavily later on in

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this podcast, but for now, moving on in Tiffany's life.

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In nineteen eighty three, at the age of twelve, her

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mother gets in a relationship with a man and his

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name is Rick, and Rick would become Tiffany's stepfather and

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this would lead to the birth of a younger brother. Now,

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it was at this time that twelve year old Tiffany

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would also hit a pretty tough time in her life.

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She would start running away from home and would really

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spiral into just a awful world of substance abuse with

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some hard drugs. I'm not talking marijuana, hear, I'm talking

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cocaine xanax. And she would also start drinking heavily, and

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it blows my mind. Twelve years old. How the fuck

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do you get cocaine at twelve years old? I have

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no idea, but Tiffany figured it out.

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How do you drink heavily at twelve?

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I understand if you sneak into your mom's kitchen cabinet

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or something and steal alcohol, but drinking to her extent.

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Now.

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Surprisingly also during this time, she still managed to stay

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in school and she actually had really good grades and

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would participate in a lot of extracurricular activities like band

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and girl Scouts. But in the tenth grade, she dropped

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out of school and she runs away from her mother's

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home permanently and she moves in with her first boyfriend, Steven.

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Now she was sixteen at this time in her life,

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and that relationship would last for about two years, but

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she would be abused often by this guy, and later

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she would say he completely destroyed her self esteem, along

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with another incident that would occur at just the young

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age of sixteen, when her father, David Duncan, allegedly would

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start sexually abusing his own daughter.

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For a period of the next two years.

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So around nineteen ninety nine, she is I'm as eighteen

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years old and she confides in her mother about this

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sex abuse that was taking place at the hands of

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her father, and this is all Tiffany alleging this, and

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later she would say her mother did not believe her

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and basically accused her of lying about all of this,

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and she really didn't know what to do at that point,

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but at the age of eighteen, Tiffany Cole would move on.

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She would actually earn her ged work several jobs at

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that time in her life, including being a waitress, a cashier,

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She was an administrative assistant a woman's health clinic. I mean,

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she was trying. And it was also at this point

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in time, the year two thousand, that Tiffany would meet

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and start exclusively dating a guy by the name of Wayne,

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and Wayne was the son.

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Of a sheriff.

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Now, Wayne, much like her prior relationship choices, very violent.

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God.

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There were allegedly situations where he would hit her with

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an axe handle, he would break her car windshield. I mean,

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according to her, this dude was violent. She also became

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a mother between the ages of eighteen and twenty three. Now,

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the details of her daughter very limited. Not much as

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known about who the father is or the exact year

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birth of the child, and it's really not important to

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this story. It's only important to know that she did

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have a child. The big details on that not as important.

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And I would imagine Jennet, that's to protect the daughter.

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And so that's why there's just not much out there

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now at the age of twenty three, in early two

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thousand and five, Tiffany learns that her father had terminal cancer,

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and she moves into his home to take care of him.

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And when I read that aspect of this case kind

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of surprised me. She must have some sort of heart there,

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at least for her father, because the same guy that

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was molesting her for years and she still moved into

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his home to take care of him when he had

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terminal cancer. But it brings up the next part of

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this story, and the most important part of this story.

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So if you remember in the beginning of this one,

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I told you about a couple that were her neighbors,

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Carol and Reggie Sumner.

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I mentioned him earlier.

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Well, they always maintained touch with Tiffany and her father,

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but in the summer of two thousand and five, they

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decide to move to Jacksonville, Florida.

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Both had become ill.

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Reggie had inmphysema and several other problems.

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He could barely walk.

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At this point. They were sixty one years old, both

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of them. His wife Carol at the time, had lever

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cancer stemming from hepatitis sea. So they tell Tiffany about

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this move, and Tiffany says, what are you going to do?

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You know you've got two cars. I guess they only

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needed one. What are you going to do with that

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green Chevy Lumina. And rather than Tiffany paying cash because

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she was interested in buying it, they knew she didn't

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have much cash.

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They agreed. They said, look, here's what we'll do.

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If you want to buy our green Chevy Lumina, will

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charge you a certain amount per month. They'll basically self

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finance it to her, and you can either mail us

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some money or you can come see us, come visit us,

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and pay us at that time. And she agrees to

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do that. Everybody's happy now out Jacksonville, although it's in

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a completely different state than Charleston, South Carolina, tell me

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about three and a half hours away. So Tiffany, who

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they really cared about, she could visit them to make

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those payments if she wanted to, and she would make

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several trips their way. This couple really looked at Tiffany

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as their own granddaughter, really cared for her. They knew

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she had a tough life and they wanted to help her.

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So let's get into a little bit of who the

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Sumners were, and I think it explains why they kind

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of took a liking to Tiffany, especially in the case

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of Carol Sumner. So Carolyn Reggie, they originally met each

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other in high school. This was in the late nineteen fifties,

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and they began dating in high school. But after high school,

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for whatever reason, after graduation, they break up and it

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would not be until much later in life they reconnect.

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They would fall in love and they would get married.

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Now in the meantime, Reggie Sumner would join the Navy,

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then he will work for the railroad. He would get

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married and then divorced. And Carol would also have two

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prior marriages which would lead to the birth of two children.

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But her marriages were difficult. The first one ended in divorce.

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The second one was extremely abusive, so abusive in fact,

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that Carol would file a restraining order just to have

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the second husband show up at her house and.

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Shoot her six times.

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Police would chase him down, they would corner him, and

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then he would shoot himself.

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He would die.

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Carol, however, would survive. And I think that's why she

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had kind of a ken ship with this young girl Tiffany,

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was because maybe she kind of felt like that was

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her at one point in her life. So after all

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of that went down, so many years would pass before

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Carol and Reggie would meet again. And at that point,

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Reggie worked for a telephone company. You got to hear

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how they kind of got reconnected. Literally, he worked for

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a telephone company and he got a call from Carol

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about telephone, sir, she was having some issues. She's calling

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the telephone company and saying, something's wrong my phone right,

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And he says, what's your name? She says her name,

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and he's.

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Like, oh, I know you. We used to date.

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That total chance encounter would cause them to rekindle their relationship,

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and a year after that this couple would get married.

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So life goes.

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On, and as I told you, they end up moving

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to Florida, Jacksonville, and that's where we're gonna pick up

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and Tiffany, she gets involved in a relationship with a

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guy in his name is Michael James Jackson. You can't

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make that shit up. Michael Jackson, whose name was Michael Jackson.

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Michael Jackson was not a good guy at all. This

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dude had a long history of felonies throughout his life

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and was actually just released on parole when he and

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Tiffany met, and this was on May fourteenth of two

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thousand and five, and it was in a hotel lobby

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in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, where Tiffany had traveled there

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with two friends. They were gonna have fun hangout. She

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meets this guy in the lobby, Michael Jackson, and they

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fall in love right in one day. So keep that

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in mind, and we're gonna fast forward a bit to

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July of two thousand and five and one of Carol's daughters, Ronda,

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she gets concerned because she hadn't heard from her mother

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and her stepfather in almost a week. Now, they typically

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talk every day, so this was very out of the

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norm for them. She's so concerned, in fact, that she

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makes a three hour drive from Charleston to Jacksonville to

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check on them. When she pulled up to the house

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the couples know where to be seen, she can't find

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them anywhere. She's looking in windows, doing the whole deal.

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She doesn't see them anywhere. So on July tenth, she

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calls the Jacksonville Police Department and she reports them missing.

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So police they go make a welfare check and they

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note several things when they arrived. First of all, they

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noticed the Sumner's car was missing. They also noticed the

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door was unlocked. Now did her daughter check the door.

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I couldn't find whether she did or not. Hopefully she did.

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Maybe she went inside and noticed they weren't inside either,

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But it never mentioned that, so I didn't want to

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say it. But the police did notice the door was unlocked,

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food was left on the stove, Carol's phone was left

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connected to her charger. Her cell phone, and a planner

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that Carol would always keep with her in the matter

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where she went. That was also in the house, which

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was very strange. Some other things say that is the

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family dog was still there. And even all the medication

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that Carol and her husband, Reggie needed were in the house.

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They didn't take it with them. So this told police

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right off.

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They didn't go on some sort of vacation and not

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just tell anybody they were missing. And it was under

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suspicious circumstances, because you're not going to leave your medicine,

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you're not going to leave your planner, you're not going

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to leave your dog and just split down. So at

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this point detectives started investigating. They put out a bolo

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A be on the lookout for the vehicle, and they

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also gather some pictures of the couple together, working with

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the couple's daughter, Ronda, who reported all of this, and

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they issue that to the media and they say, cover

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this on all the news.

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They're very concerned about this couple.

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And it was not long before they get a tip

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about the car when they release a picture of the

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car and it's found nearly fifty miles from Jacksonville. And

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the car was unlocked, but it didn't have any keys

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in it. So as they're working that scene, just five

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hours after finding the car, the police get a really

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strange phone call.

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Listen to this thigs ready, I'm to tell them my

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wife right and assistant passed away from the Mars division.

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The neighborhood called this morning and said open that.

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The Lincoln was missing.

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We just moved actually too there, not long ago from

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South Carolina.

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Do you have anybody that we can contact to help

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us make sure that everything of the house should be there?

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Oh?

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Now, this person identified themselves as you just heard as

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Reggie Sumner. But did you hear that voice? Did that

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sound like a sixty one year old man to you? Well,

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that's the same reaction the police had. He also said

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they were having a tough time using their bank cards.

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Police ask him, hey, can we speak to Carol? And

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that's when the female voice gets on the phone. And

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obviously that wasn't the voice of a sixty one year

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old female who is very sick. Not dealing with the

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sharpest knives in the deck here are we. So police

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they start investigating where that call came from, who was

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that line tied to, what cell phone number did that

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come from, those sorts of things. And they also start

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looking into the banking records for those bank cards because

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the caller did note in that conversation that they couldn't

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get the bank cards to work. Just idiots, right, So

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when police started investigating the banking situation here, they pull

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statements and they notice a bunch of ATM withdrawals in

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and around the time that this couple went missing. And

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when you get to an ATM, what happens every time

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you go, well, you get caught on camera. So when

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police look at the camera footage, they get the faces

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of those tied to the voices that they heard in

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the phone calls. They were also able to trace the

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cell phone number as well that it called the police department.

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And when they pull the cell phone records, they see

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a call to a car rental company, So they call

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the car rental company, which in turn was able to

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cross reference the cell number the police provided to the

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person that rented a car in that car was a

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silver Mazda RX eight, and police knew that that's the

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same car that was pulling up at these ATMs with

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people getting out of it. And those two voices police

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heard on the phone call claiming to be the missing couple,

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well obviously those were none other than the voices of

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Tiffany Cole and Michael Jackson. Police would also discover, now,

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as luck would have it, the Mazda was equipped with GPS.

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The rental car and with the help of the rental

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car company, the police would trace that car to a

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motel in South Carolina, and at that motel they find

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two rooms rented out in Tiffany Call's real name. Now,

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in those two rooms, one room contained Tiffany and Michael

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Jackson and the other room was an eighteen year old

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man by the name of Alan Wade. What do you

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think police did at that point, Well, they go pull

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those people out of the rooms. They take them to

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the police station and they start questioning them, and what

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they would get out of them when the smoke cleared

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was absolutely horrific. Now, early in the questioning, another name

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is going to surface, and it was a guy by

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the name of Bruce Nixon, and he was pretty much

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the key to this case because Bruce Nixon would sing

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like a freaking canary on this whole deal, in all

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the horrific details that are involved, and as Bruce Nixon

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would tell it, Michael and Tiffany traveled to Jacksonville to

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visit the third guy that was in that hotel room,

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Alan Wade. He lived in Jacksonville, so they travel to

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go see him, and on the way they stop off

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at the Sumner's house and the summoner says, Hey, since

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you're going to be down here visiting your friend, if

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y'all want to stay here instead of getting a hotel room,

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we're cool with it.

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That's fine.

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So Tiffany and Michael agree to do that and they

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go visit their friend. They come back to the couple's

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home and while they're there at night, I would assume

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all sitting around the kitchen table, the Sumners mentioned that

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they recently finally sold their house in South Carolina, and

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that they got a good profit off of this house.

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Mister Sumner Reggie, he was proud of this. He says, Man,

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we profited like ninety thousand dollars on that house.

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Well, when you tell.

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That to someone like me, I'm gonna say, man, that's great,

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and it's going to be in one ear and out

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the other. But when you tell that to a piece

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of shit like Michael Jackson, who is nothing but a

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career criminal, right, he hears this, and when you have

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a criminal mind, that's going to raise a radar. And

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he starts taking mental notes of that and everything else

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as it relates to that house. He starts looking around

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at the furnishings. In his mind, he's adding up how

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much money he could get by stealing this stuff. Right,

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So he gets Tiffany by herself at some point and

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they hatch a plan. And initially that plan was, hey,

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we can break in when they're not here, but for

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some reason he decides against doing that. And then the

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plan becomes we can just give them an overabundance of

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their medicine and kill them.

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But for whatever reason.

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He decided against that and then they evolve that plan

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into another plan. And this is where Michael initiates the

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help of Bruce Nixon, and he said, Hey, Bruce, I

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want to rob someone's house. And I'm not sure exactly

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what he told Bruce Nixon as far as what the

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plan was from there. Now, if you listen to Bruce Nixon,

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Bruce Nixon says, they went and got shovels, but he

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was under the understanding that they were going to bury

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the stuff that they stole from this couple for a

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while and then go back and get it. We'll go

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with his story for now. The trio they do. They

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get some shovels, Michael, Bruce Nixon, and Tiffany Cole and

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they go to a remote wooded area in Georgia and

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they dig a hole. And this hole is six feet

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deep by four feet wide six feet deep by four

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feet wide. Now, Allen and Bruce and Michael dug the

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hole and Tiffany she holds the flashlight. So on July

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eighth of two thousand and five, around ten o'clock PM,

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they rent this Mazda and they drive to the couple's

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home and they have a fake gun in toe. They

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didn't want a record of purchasing a gun, so they

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actually got a toy gun. And while Tiffany and Michael

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wait inside the car, Alan and Bruce got.

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To the door of this couple.

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Because the couple knew who Tiffany and Mike were, right,

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they didn't know who Alan and Bruce were. So Carol

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goes to the door and these two total strangers to her.

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They say, we're having car trouble. And Carol, who had

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never seen these guys before, but that's just who she was,

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she wanted to help. She lets them in to use

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the find so as Sennys ain't enter, they pull out

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the fake gun and they pointed at that couple and

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the Sumners. They're scared shitless. I mean, miss Sumner very

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bad health, poor lady sixty one years old. She was

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in that position to fight them. She's just scared shitless.

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Her husband can barely walk. As a matter of fact,

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he was needing to be wheeled around in a wheelchair

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in most places.

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Of that, both of them very ill.

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And these guys pull a gun pointed at him and

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they start pleading for their life. And they say, hey, look,

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we'll cooperate with whatever you want us to do you

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can have whatever you want, just don't kill us. But

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all that pleading just basically falls on deaf ears the men.

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At that point, they pull out duct tape and they

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tape the couple's eyes, They tape their hands, they tape

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their feet, and they tape their mouth and can you

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imagine how scared they are. Alan then goes and cuts

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the phone lines, and at that point Michael comes into

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the home and he starts taking the financial records that

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he made a mental note of where these were located.

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He also steals the couple's valuable coin collection from the home.

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They then take this elderly couple and they force them

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into the trunk of their own car and they the

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couple with Michael and Tiffany in one vehicle and these

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other two assholes in the vehicle that belonged to Carolyn Reggie.

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They drive that to that pre dug hole. And Michael

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would say this later, which is just heartbreaking to me.

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So apparently on the ride the couple inside of that trunk,

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they managed to break free of the duct tape and

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they untape themselves. They untape their eyes, they untape their mouth, etc.

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Now nobody in.

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The car do that outside of the couple. But when

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they get to where they're going, they get to that hole,

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they get at the back, they pop the trunk and

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Michael's standing there and the couple is just lying there

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in the trunk, embracing each other and praying, absolutely scared

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to death. Now U Paun seeing this, Michael in a

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total piece of shit move, tells them you're gonna have

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to put the duct tape on, and you're gonna have

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to put it back over your eyes because I don't

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want to see your eyes when I shoot. You wrap

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your mind around that. So then he forces them out

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of the car and somehow he manages to get their

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ATM PEN number.

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I'm sure it didn't take much.

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Prime they're scared absolutely to death, and they give up

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that PEN number and he takes them at that point

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and he shoves them into this pre dug hole. Now

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remember that gun is fake. He can't shoot him to

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death first. He just simply shoves them into the hole

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and covers it up, bearing them alive. Now, later autopsies

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would show that both Reggie and Carol had dirt in

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their lungs, meaning they were completely buried alive, and they

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were sucking in dirt when they would breathe horrible. The

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group then dumped the vehicle and they go on a

476
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:21.359
week long fucking party with the victim's money, complete with limousines, champagne, drugs, orgies,

477
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.880
you name it. So, with all this information, they indict

478
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.880
everybody on August eighteenth of two thousand and five in

479
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.440
Duval County, Florida on charges of two counts each of

480
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.720
first degree murder, arm, robbery, and kidnapping. Now, the trials

481
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.240
were held separately, and Bruce Nixon, he obviously was the

482
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.880
one that cooperated with authorities, so he got a plea

483
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.480
deal in his case, and on March twelfth of two

484
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.599
thousand and seven, he pleaded guilty to two counts of

485
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.519
second degree murder, two counts of kidnapping, and some other

486
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.720
charges related to the case. But in exchange for his

487
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.599
cooperation and testimony against the others that were accused, and

488
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.599
that was important, he did avoid the death penalty. And

489
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.880
he was also the one to lead police to the

490
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.200
victim's grave site, which I've often said this, I'm okay

491
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.960
with plea deals if they lead to something like that.

492
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.839
So he was sentenced to two concurrent forty five year

493
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.119
prison tern, which means they're at the same time. It's

494
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.200
not ninety years, it's forty five years essentially for both

495
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.160
as a total. Michael Jackson was up next. This was

496
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.400
in May of two thousand and seven, and he was

497
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.759
convicted after a separate trial of two counts of first

498
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.160
degree murder and he was sentenced to two death penalties,

499
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.400
one for each murder. On October twentieth of two thousand

500
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.119
and seven, Tiffany Cole was convicted. That was after a

501
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.960
week long trial. This was in Duval County, Florida, of

502
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.000
two accounts of first degree murder, two counts of kidnapping,

503
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.279
in two counts ounce of robbery. Now, the jury deliberated

504
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:07.000
for less than ninety minutes and they end up voting

505
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.359
nine to three in favor of the death penalty, so

506
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.880
she does. She gets the death penalty in that case

507
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.599
on October twenty fourth of two thousand and seven. Just

508
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:22.079
a few days later, Alan Wade is convicted after a

509
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.359
separate trial of two counts of first three murder, two

510
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.599
counts of armed robbery, in two counts of kidnapping, and

511
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.920
in his penalty phase. On November fifteenth of two thousand

512
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.880
and seven, the jury recommends a death sentence by eleven

513
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.519
to one vote, so he also gets the death penalty.

514
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:46.680
So at this point, everybody is sentenced to death, with

515
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.480
the exception of the guy that cooperated. But a law

516
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:55.640
surfaces in twenty sixteen that changes everything. And that law

517
00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:01.519
in twenty sixteen required a unanimous jury verdict in a

518
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.799
death penalty case for you to actually get the death penalty.

519
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.639
So what happens They all have to get retried again.

520
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:10.599
And I'll just.

521
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.360
Skip the dates of when all of this occurred, but

522
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.800
it was between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty five.

523
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.920
But Alan Wade ends up being resentenced to life in prison.

524
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:30.039
Michael Jackson also gets resentenced to life in prison. Tiffany

525
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:37.800
Cole also resentenced to life in prison. However, that and

526
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.159
I know this is hard to get boom and I

527
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.559
know this is hard to keep up with, but the

528
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.119
law goes back in twenty twenty four. I believe it

529
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.320
was to where you can be sentenced with a non

530
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:59.639
unanimous jury, and Michael Jackson's resentenced to death in his case.

531
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.519
So that's what happened to all four of those individuals.

532
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.800
When all the smoke cleared, Michael Jackson was the only

533
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:11.039
one to receive the death penalty. Everyone else got resentenced

534
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:14.559
to life in prison, and as of this recording in

535
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.639
January of twenty twenty six, Tiffany is now forty four

536
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:23.920
years old and she's serving life at Lowell Correctional Institute

537
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:30.159
in Florida. And at her resentencing relatives of Sumners, they

538
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:36.159
express their forgiveness of Tiffany, saying quote, I truly forgive you,

539
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.480
and all I can say is that is a better

540
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.079
person than me. And I'll say that straight up because

541
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:48.639
I could never forgive someone who buried a friend of

542
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.800
mine a life, much less a family member. And I

543
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.880
got something for you that I'm going to play for you,

544
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.119
just to close this one out, because there's some people

545
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.719
out there that are going to want to hear this.

546
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.360
And this is actually the questioning of Michael Jackson.

547
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.320
Because you want to talk to me without your attorney, Yeah,

548
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.000
because I know, I mean, you got to go through

549
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.079
all kind of craziness to get the blow in. It

550
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.480
takes you long ago. But now before we do that,

551
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:19.559
you know you don't have to speak to me, right, yeah,

552
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.960
of course, and you know that you're waving You're right

553
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.960
to have your attorney by talking with me. Right, We've

554
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.840
gone over your rights multiple multiple, multiple times. Do you

555
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.920
have any questions about those? Okay, just want to make

556
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.760
sure that's clear before we get going here.

557
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:38.519
I'm wanting to hear what I'm gonna leave those at.

558
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:38.800
The more.

559
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:42.199
So, what you wanna talk about today?

560
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.000
Maybe last time I went to court from I mean,

561
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:46.719
I don't really know what's going on because, like I said,

562
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.400
I ain't got to discovery yet. I really know you

563
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.119
know what's having When the last time went to court,

564
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.320
he put in the motion for the bond or whatever,

565
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:56.039
and it Jelly says something about him to the Home State.

566
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:57.440
He said something about it to say that you got

567
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.960
a father AffA David or something about if evidence is evidence.

568
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:02.679
I don't you know what I'm saying.

569
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:03.880
What do you want to bond hearing?

570
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.599
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get happy capital murder

571
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.760
case in Florida. There is no bond. Ain't gonna happen.

572
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.039
Don't understand them. It's the rules. No bond. First degree murder.

573
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.679
You've been indicted by the grand jury on charges of

574
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.400
first degree murder. There is no bond on the first

575
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:25.719
degree murder charge. No possibility of getting out, no possibility

576
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:31.480
of bond whatsoever. Well sums that up quick pretty much.

577
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:32.239
That question.

578
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.239
Don Yeah, I'll be straight up with you. I've been

579
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.920
straight with you from the get go. I gonna lie

580
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.400
to you. Michael. Let me ask you a question. If

581
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.360
you got to bond, hearing you can show back up

582
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.920
in court. Yeah, no, no, no, it's just like I told lawyer.

583
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.039
It's just like I told my lawyer.

584
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.440
My parents said they would come down here and give

585
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.360
me an apartment down here, everything just so I don't

586
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:49.800
go nowhere, so I can no offense.

587
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:50.920
You're getting freak housing.

588
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.039
If I was in your position, Let's be honest. If

589
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.760
I was in your position, I damn sure wouldn't show

590
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:57.800
back up.

591
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:02.639
Man, can all this? I can prove what I can prove.

592
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:03.559
A lot of stuff I can beve.

593
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.639
Then I ain't kill nobody do that because I can.

594
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.800
I can do that. Improve it. Tell me how to

595
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.280
prove it? Okay, what do I need to prove it?

596
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:14.840
Is what I'm saying. Nine of the ten.

597
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:18.000
All I need is an alibi, a credible witness. Definitely,

598
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.639
they can put me with them on this date, said

599
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:20.880
that I killed these people.

600
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:26.239
You're watching way too much television. Okay, there in the

601
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.360
cellar or something. No, I mean, it's just common sense,

602
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:30.719
my lord. This is what the lawd what alibi is

603
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:31.440
gonna put you there?

604
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:33.840
I got a person. I got a female doctor that

605
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:34.599
can put me with her.

606
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.920
I'm not heard where you were where you were at

607
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.000
over there across the Georgia line behind the fire station

608
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.599
at the house over there, states that that house from

609
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.800
Jerry Circle. Oh you talking about what I saw last time?

610
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.079
Ye see, that's why I said, Man, it ain't even

611
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:50.800
know all about that.

612
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.760
I ain't got a new alibi now because that was

613
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:53.400
your old alibia.

614
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:54.760
Oh I still the same thing I told you, Like

615
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:55.519
I said, it was the.

616
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.639
Same alabia with the same lady. That's what you're telling me.

617
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:00.480
I got a fem doctor.

618
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.199
They can put me with her and say it said

619
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.880
in the indictment, did she I don't really know how

620
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.880
the whole shit was worthy funny because it says that

621
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.679
it says the male suspects entered the dwelling, and then

622
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.559
it says something it don't never say, like it don't

623
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.360
specify you know, cool, who and who did what?

624
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.119
You know what I'm saying. It just stays stick. You

625
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:18.639
know what I'm saying.

626
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.159
The male suspects entered the house, and then it says

627
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.039
they were driven. It says I followed me, activity followed

628
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:25.119
Allan and Bruce in the car.

629
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.199
Sit there, and it says you denying that? Who done

630
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.800
told us that twice already?

631
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:31.719
At least I.

632
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.320
Told you at once. But that's why I messed up

633
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.960
though twice. But see, that's what I'm saying, though, Man,

634
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.239
My biggest part is, like I said, the biggest part

635
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.840
is you made a dumb decision and here we are.

636
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.800
But in the beginning, though, you got understand where I

637
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:45.320
was coming from.

638
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.639
In the beginning, it was like, Okay, I'm gonna have

639
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.119
to do whatever I can to go ahead and you know, get.

640
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.639
Free because I ain't never been in no shit like this.

641
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.440
I don't even know what to do right now, you

642
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:54.079
know what I'm saying.

643
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.000
So okay, furthert thing that comes to my mind with

644
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.400
past experiences of getting in trouble, go ahead and work

645
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.079
with them, tell them what they want to hear, know

646
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:00.519
what I'm saying.

647
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.000
And I think we told you repeatedly we didn't want

648
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.960
to hear what you thought we wanted to hear. I

649
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.800
want to hear the truth about what happened. And then

650
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.559
you told us stuff. Okay. The only problem is is

651
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.480
the stuff you told us well pretty much the same

652
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.239
stuff everybody else told us. So we knew we were

653
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.159
on the right track there. Considering you know that, for instance,

654
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.280
Bruce was down here talking to us and you were

655
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.719
up there talking to us kind of makes it real

656
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.679
hard for you guys to coordinate a whole lot about

657
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:26.880
anything that's going on. You know what I'm saying, So

658
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.199
we knew what you were telling us in the beginning.

659
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.639
What's the truth. Okay, Now we also know you've had

660
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.480
to work work your way out, you know, for what's

661
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:35.960
going on.

662
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:38.239
No, No, what I'm saying what I told you, I

663
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:38.880
don't deny it.

664
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.400
You know what I'm saying. Okay, in the beginning, I

665
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.400
told y'all, yeah, I was dead. I said, I held

666
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:44.760
a flash length YEP, I said. You know what I'm saying,

667
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.280
oh kind of shit. You know what I'm saying.

668
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.400
I'm not denying at at the time, okay, that I

669
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:50.679
didn't know what I told you.

670
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.199
You know what I'm saying, I'm not denying that.

671
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.719
Well, I'm I'm denying when why I fucked that was,

672
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.320
like I said, I should have never said I was there.

673
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:58.239
You know what I'm saying, I ain't had nothing to

674
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.360
do with killing nobody.

675
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.000
You know what I'm saying.

676
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.440
I might have known about the ship and all this

677
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.039
other shit, but as far as I have anything to

678
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:04.239
do with it, but.

679
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.320
Tell me what you know about it. Tell me it's

680
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:06.960
as simple as that.

681
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.199
It's like I said, I knew, I knew basically what

682
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:09.719
happened in.

683
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.480
There ain't no basically on we don't deal in this

684
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.079
little you know something something sort of might have. I mean,

685
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.360
you got something to tell me that that that you

686
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:19.639
say it's gonna clear you tell me, you plain english,

687
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.360
what you trying. What you're trying to tell me, don't

688
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.880
beat around the bush and hint of different things for

689
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.440
me to take six different ways.

690
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.840
I mean, but you said something's gonna cleaning though, But see,

691
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.199
I don't know what it is because like my fair

692
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.679
and my fair seeking.

693
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.840
There may be another another you know what I'm saying,

694
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.960
there may be nothing that can clear you because so far,

695
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.880
I mean, you give me about you know, three hundred

696
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.519
different versions of things that happen. So you know, I

697
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.920
gotta throw out at least two hundred and ninety nine

698
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:46.119
of those at.

699
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:46.480
Least give me.

700
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:47.559
Hey, I'm vega.

701
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:49.920
I know I'm blocking my own self from you know,

702
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.159
being being excentive, so you know what I'm saying.

703
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.760
But I mean, you know what I mean. You keep

704
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.119
giving me a story, but then you don't give me

705
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:56.599
nothing to back it up. You know what I'm saying.

706
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.440
But see that's the point though, Like I mean, if

707
00:41:58.480 --> 00:41:59.920
I tell you I'm a police officer, you want to

708
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.079
see some credentials and Stuss damn music police offer you

709
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:04.599
give me something that you ain't give me nothing to

710
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:06.679
back it up, and never give me nothing to back

711
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:08.719
it up? What what? What do you need? Though? That's

712
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.400
what I'm saying. What do ya tell me this? Tell

713
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.159
me the truth? No, I tell me this, I need

714
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.880
the truth. What did you know? What did you see?

715
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:18.679
What was your role in all this? And don't try

716
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.960
to tell me you didn't have no role in this? Okay,

717
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:22.840
I'm gonna tell you this though. It like I said,

718
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.840
And the murder, I ain't nothing to do with no murder. Okay,

719
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.239
you just say that. Till the day I died, they

720
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.400
did all three of them, had three of them.

721
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.199
Okay, just from my understanding, Man, all I knew was

722
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.119
symbol is this? You know what I'm saying. I knew,

723
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:35.599
like I said, it was involved.

724
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:35.559
In the lick.

725
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.440
It was involved in money. I'm interested. You know what

726
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:37.760
I'm saying.

727
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:39.760
A symbol is that it came down the money, and

728
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.280
then later it came down to Yo, two people died

729
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:42.719
for this ship.

730
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:44.320
You know what I'm saying. Oh shit, what do you mean?

731
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.280
Two people died for this ship? You know what I'm saying.

732
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.199
I need to know what's up. I didn't even lie

733
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.119
in the time. Okay, I'm thinking, what can I do?

734
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:51.360
You know?

735
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.639
Tell me about the LICKT? Who planned the LICKT?

736
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:54.440
What do you mean?

737
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.480
Who planned it planned? I mean, who thought it up?

738
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:59.280
Whose idea was? How hew did we get into Ali

739
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.239
came to me, came to me with the car. I

740
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:02.920
knew what to do from there. I mean just because

741
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.440
I mean it's well, I mean, I had past experience.

742
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.679
How did you get like that? They stole the card?

743
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.599
How they got together to steal a car?

744
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.159
That was all from No, Like I said, that's a Tiffany.

745
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.000
Tiffany knew the girl Tiffany moved these people she knew

746
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.719
these people had money. The people used to live with her.

747
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.239
You know what I'm saying, how long? How long you

748
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:20.800
know that one?

749
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.920
Since two thousand week we moved to July, Yeah, I

750
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:26.480
said about eight.

751
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.559
When we're living in Arlington, you hear each other. I

752
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.039
lived in the club, he lived in Images.

753
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.280
So I mean total times you know each other walk

754
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:35.159
here from the time that I met him to the

755
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.039
time we got arrested and out of years. We moved

756
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.360
to Florida in July or oh fourth, and y'all arrested

757
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:40.239
us in July oh five.

758
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:43.199
Moved to Florida down there for me and card you

759
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.199
and Carlon. Yeah, okay, where'd you move from Charleston? From

760
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.519
Charleston North Charleston live Son, I mean, where were you

761
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.719
at just shiit?

762
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:53.239
Uh?

763
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:56.280
Well Most car Standing.

764
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.599
Yeah, we heard well West Ashley because I stayed with her,

765
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.719
and then we moved from there to Most Corner, and

766
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:04.880
then from Most Corner that's when I came.

767
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.440
That's when we came out of Florida. We didn't even

768
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:07.159
know where we was gonna live.

769
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.000
Youl Carmen came down here together, we said, at the

770
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.800
airport for like a month and then we found the

771
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.079
apartment in the club and got a head from there.

772
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.199
She and Carmen come down here. And then you met

773
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:17.199
Alan when you got here.

774
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.360
Yeah I met No, I met Allen. This this sounds crazy,

775
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:20.480
but I met Alan through ecstasy.

776
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.039
You know what I'm saying. Damn, like the.

777
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.800
Drugs or the clock drugs are a stripper.

778
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.320
Okay, my fall that shit clarified that. No, through the drugs.

779
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:34.519
But now actually I mean the party you're rolling selling,

780
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.920
singing or she just laying. He knew somebody that had

781
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.280
the fiells you you know what I'm saying.

782
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.800
And I knew the same person from being in the

783
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.119
strip clothes and Carmen and shit, and we just oh,

784
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:43.639
I live over here, Yeah I live over here.

785
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:44.119
Oh what's up?

786
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:44.239
Hell?

787
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.880
You doing? You a close spot? So you just start

788
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.280
hanging from there. Okay, now you say the three of

789
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:50.599
them came up with this plot.

790
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.760
Now see this is all I knew. Like I said,

791
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.760
he came to me. He was like, look, okay, I

792
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.760
got a lick. You know what I'm saying. He has

793
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.000
seen me pull links. I just hit a lick, you

794
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.639
know what I'm saying. All this sudden he knows I'm

795
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.639
good with it. Okay, I got somebody to call it instantly.

796
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.239
That's the first thing that'll go through my mind. I

797
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.599
got somebody call, he calls me. I come down there.

798
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.800
You know what I'm saying. Okay, what's gonna work to Florida?

799
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:10.440
You know what I'm saying, I come down here. What's

800
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.920
the deal man? Look over one hundred thousand and over

801
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.440
one hundred thousand supposedly Tiffany talking about the lady said

802
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.960
they told some kind of condo or some type of

803
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.679
fucking townhouse they had for over ninety nine thousand dollars

804
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:21.960
and shit.

805
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.280
Okay, my answers is peak. I'm ready to get the money.

806
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.559
You know what I'm saying, but I ain't asking I

807
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:27.800
should ask question you know what I'm saying, But I

808
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.760
ain't asking no questions because in my mind, it's like.

809
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.159
You think you just gonna get some call, get the money,

810
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.159
and I'll ask of anything.

811
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:35.760
So on, y'all, how do you know Tiffany?

812
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.320
I know Timany because I robbed Tiffany. That's how I

813
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.159
went way back Charleston.

814
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.280
Yeah. Now I met Tiffany, And didn't you tell me

815
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:43.719
before about taking a cocaine?

816
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:44.079
Yeah?

817
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:45.880
I found a box that had I ain't know it

818
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.320
was cocing in Now, it just happened.

819
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.239
You don't have to weeding it money in it. I

820
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.280
just jacked. Oh. I mean that was in Charleston. How

821
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.000
long ago was that in Charleston? May? May? This year? No,

822
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:58.400
I mean last last year?

823
00:45:58.719 --> 00:45:58.920
Five?

824
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.440
Yeah, because this is what happened. I met Tiffany in May.

825
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.400
I came back. I left Florida in February seventh.

826
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.760
I turned myself back into Berkeley County, did three weeks

827
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.360
in attend center they rent, stayed in my parole in relationship, Yeah,

828
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.079
pretty much. I went from there, uh, stayed out of TRUP.

829
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.079
Everything was fine until the month of May. I met

830
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.480
Tiffany Jack in the hotel the next mo.

831
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.800
When you did that, the name of the hotel, the budget,

832
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:30.440
and a little cheap cheap ass there on International Boulevard

833
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.519
on the International you know what the airport is?

834
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.599
Yeah, Internet, you got on Best Western travelizing budget is

835
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.679
like the last one back there.

836
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:41.239
I met her in May.

837
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.559
Let's see, I hit a link for like probably like

838
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.800
fourteen thousand dollars. I ain't hit the link. The dude

839
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.559
gave me the money. But you know what I'm saying,

840
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:51.639
we sorted. I saw it, helped him out with some shit.

841
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.599
He gave me fourteen thousand dollars.

842
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:54.920
On my car to Island. It was to deal with that.

843
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.719
He just was he seeing with somebody in Basically, I

844
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.119
co the dude. I told the dude. I was like, look,

845
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:02.800
you know what I'm saying.

846
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.639
I was I'm saying, I know it's bad. You know

847
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.480
what I'm saying, man, you know that's what it is.

848
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:07.840
I kind of dude.

849
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.159
He was like, look, I got Warrington take He's an

850
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.199
older dude. He was a retired senior chief and all

851
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.320
this shit. But he had problems. You know what I'm saying.

852
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.119
He had fun. Then help him out until you got

853
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:18.159
the cash, you know. I told him.

854
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.039
I was like, look, nah, nah, he handed me the

855
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:21.000
money in his way.

856
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:21.719
I went in my way.

857
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.360
So tell me I didn't steal nothing from what what

858
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:24.239
he give me the money for?

859
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:25.159
He sold his house.

860
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.360
He's he believed I made him believe that I was

861
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.280
a fed right, And then I got.

862
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.639
I know it sounds what did you tell me? FBI

863
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:41.840
d e A just tell how they are. But nah,

864
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.320
he thought you were hunting them or they were hunting them,

865
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:45.840
and you're gonna let him slide. Man, look at it,

866
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:46.400
touch Dorman.

867
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.239
I got on that computer. I mean, I mean, miracles happened.

868
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:51.960
I'm talking about. I created Warrens.

869
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:53.880
You know what I'm saying. I found out, just burnt

870
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:55.079
him out showing they had ship.

871
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.440
Nah, you can go to what's called it the n

872
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.920
c I thing credit card thirty dollars a month, Ben

873
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.039
you can check on yourself anything like. You can get copies.

874
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.599
It's it's hard to get into it, but you know

875
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:06.599
what I'm saying. You can get copies, you know, like

876
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.920
you said, it'll print out. You can get it with

877
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:09.239
a scanner. You can create anything.

878
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:11.559
How long before you met Tiffany?

879
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.039
Did you?

880
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.360
Did you get him? I knew him at the same

881
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.639
time I met him. That was in May, also April,

882
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.679
or I knew I met Keith in April. Yeah, I

883
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.639
met Keith in April. Got the money June fourteenth.

884
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.679
So in between April and June fourteenth was the last

885
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.519
day I seen Keith. So and Tiffany happened in May

886
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.360
because that's when we did the That's when I.

887
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.360
Went to the hotel. Because Keith was at the hotel.

888
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.800
I made him believe he Look, you gotta go away

889
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:36.880
from your house for a little while. You know what

890
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:37.280
I'm saying.

891
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.039
They're gonna be coming by a liquor for you whatnot.

892
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:40.679
He was in the house and I got a bunch

893
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.360
of information on him. Then that was that man. He's like, look,

894
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.239
I'm going back to California. I'm gonna sell my house.

895
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.519
I was like, okay, look, we do whatever I can

896
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:50.000
to help make the warrants go away. You know what

897
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:54.039
I'm saying, whatever shit, Okay, your warrants is gone away.

898
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:55.719
But you know I'm gonna charge you. I ain't even

899
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.400
come out of her No, give me fourteen thousand dollars,

900
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.000
you know what I'm saying. I like, look, it's gonna

901
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.840
be a substance. A substance amount. He got like she

902
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.239
only got like ninety six thousand dollars for his house

903
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:05.599
or something.

904
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.039
He was like, here you go for it. Oooh okay,

905
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.440
you know, I have a good life, you know what

906
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.760
I'm saying. I hope everything works out for you know.

907
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.320
I called Alan down there. And what's weird though, me

908
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.320
and Tiffany actually was cool at that time because I

909
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.039
don't know what it was, but she was like, well,

910
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:20.760
you know what I'm saying.

911
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.400
She got I guess she got attractive by the shoe.

912
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:23.000
She liked you.

913
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.280
I robbed the girl or something.

914
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.840
But I'm not gonna like, no motherfucker that steals fucking

915
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:28.360
eight hundred dollars or some shit for me.

916
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.840
But it's worth though. Man, I'm not feeling like that. Erstus.

917
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:33.159
So now you call that one up.

918
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:35.679
He was down there, come and say, look, man, I'm

919
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.679
about to send you some money. Jump on the train.

920
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:39.559
You know what I'm saying, Shoot down a charsta. He

921
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.400
was like, all right, man, man, send him like two

922
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:43.880
hundreds and change. He comes down there with shooting murdur

923
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.960
Eas meet him. Her and another girl, black girl, black girl.

924
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:48.079
What's her name?

925
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:53.079
Ayisha, Keisha? Some ship like that. I don't think it's it's.

926
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.880
Sure, yeah, it's sighted Easha.

927
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.559
Anyway, that Naisha. That was nice. It's Tiffany's friends. She's

928
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.039
from home. He was from New York. She was from

929
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.119
New York. Anyway, damn on we go to Murdury. Be's

930
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.760
I'm spending money left and right. I mean, haveing fun.

931
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.280
You know what I'm saying. Fucking I ain't got nothing

932
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.639
better than man I'm having a fool and this shit.

933
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:16.840
Man, anyway, damn do that for about a week, shoot

934
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.039
back down here. I go back to South Carolina, holand

935
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.519
goes to Florida. I don't know what the hell really

936
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.480
Tiffany's doing. I wasn't really in touch with it like that.

937
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.800
Next time, no boom, Alan calls me up. Hey, I

938
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.840
got another lick? Oh how much like I said one times? Man,

939
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.320
I'm rolling away, bro, I didn't get.

940
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.920
Down here in the car? Which car? Then in the

941
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.679
rental car? Okay, he'll run in the car.

942
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.760
Tiffany run in the car. So she's back up there.

943
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.199
Yeah, she's in Charleston at the time, I thought she

944
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.400
was down here. And that's why I was confused, cause

945
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.559
so she's in Charleston. When Allen caught you, Yeah, Anna

946
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.320
calls me up. I'm like, all right, bet, what's the deal?

947
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:50.320
I call her?

948
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.519
She calls me up. We get the rent a car.

949
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:54.920
Who were going down here? Allen comes at me, hands

950
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:56.360
me a little credit card. It ain't got no name

951
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:57.920
on it. He was like, look, just go check it out.

952
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.159
Here go the information. He goes this, here goes that.

953
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.239
Go pep the shit out. I go peep it out,

954
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.239
and I'm showing them a like thirty thousand dollars on

955
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.960
the account and the savings account that shows like nine

956
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.119
thousand in the checking account. I'm like, I can't do

957
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:11.639
shit with this with then in my mind, I'm like,

958
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.840
I still gonna get whatever I can that's up.

959
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.519
Before or after they'd already done everything.

960
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:18.400
This was after this, after this, this the hell, yeah,

961
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:19.840
it was after ship anyway.

962
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:25.320
Damn. This was July. He called me Friday. I didn't

963
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.480
hit Florida till shit, it was late. It's late as

964
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:31.360
a month or yeah.

965
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.679
Matter of fact, check the the what you call it, dum,

966
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:35.239
what's the ship?

967
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:36.960
The picture where they got me staying in front of

968
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.760
lit hm and she The first time I did it,

969
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:40.719
I just met with him within the hour I was

970
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.280
up there, and that by I start checking that damn thing.

971
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.679
That's why I said that time right there. Within within

972
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:48.559
that hour too, I'll say two hour period.

973
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.519
I just hit Florida. So it's the middle of the night, yeah,

974
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.199
in the morning something like that. And I know the time.

975
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:55.320
I know it was the middle of the night. That's

976
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:56.559
all I know. His mom wasn't there.

977
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.960
He told his mom to go stay with her boyfriend

978
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.280
and some ship like that, because some dudes are knocking

979
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:03.840
on Allen's door or some ship like that, and they

980
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:05.679
were trying to beat his assid he was nervous. I

981
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:09.079
don't know anyway, Damn hey the card I come back

982
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.320
told him the deal. Win got a room over there?

983
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.719
What you get a room the hotel by the Dennys war.

984
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:17.599
Up behind the Dennis.

985
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.519
Right next to it is you can walk to the

986
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.199
Dennis from the park, right, I mean it's right there.

987
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.280
The lobby's right next It's just there's a little on

988
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.000
same side of the straight, Yeah, the same side the street.

989
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.840
There's a little detective or gas station and the hotail. Yeah,

990
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:31.320
there's a cop car right there.

991
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:35.159
Ship, there's a cop car right there behind the fence

992
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:36.360
by the lobby and ship like that.

993
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:38.280
Okay, anyway, damn.

994
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.400
Ship, I was here pretty much get as much money

995
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.400
as possible him, him, Bruce, her, you know what I'm saying. Whatever,

996
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.360
And then coming down to Charleston, we all meet up

997
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:48.239
meet him and her.

998
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:49.639
That's when I call.

999
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:49.960
It, y'all.

1000
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:53.599
When when that's who on went to Charles? When when

1001
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.639
your Bruce appeared in all this Bruce is there that

1002
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:56.679
night when you get there.

1003
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.519
Yeah, Bruce was there that night when me and Tiffany

1004
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.360
got there, Bruce and Allen was there. Bruce Hon was

1005
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.000
at this house. And like I said, okay, I'm taking money.

1006
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:07.239
You know, I hung out when we probably was together. Shit,

1007
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.320
I ain't gonna say a week. We was probably together

1008
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:10.159
a couple of days.

1009
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:11.239
Next time.

1010
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.199
I know, we all meeting up in Charlton. But it's

1011
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.320
just me, Tiffany and Allen. We had the best Westering ruins.

1012
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.199
And in her name, how'd y'all get to Charleston separate?

1013
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.400
I was already in Charleston. I was my grandmother when

1014
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:22.000
he left here.

1015
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.800
After you did the cards and you stayed And how

1016
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.920
long did you stay in the hotel by the Dennis Ship?

1017
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.119
Like I think it was just that night.

1018
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:31.719
Every might have been more than one night, because I

1019
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.320
know we stayed in that hotel. We stayed in the

1020
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.880
one across the street. Like, if you pull out that

1021
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.840
far a lot, you go directly across the street, there's

1022
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:38.519
another hotel.

1023
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.360
Right, there's a little cheap, rinky than Gass hotel.

1024
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.639
You don't know what I'm talking about, exactly what you's

1025
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.000
talking about right across the street. You gotta go across

1026
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:50.920
across Lane Avenue the other side of the street.

1027
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:52.719
Ain't talking about the day's end of the verminer now,

1028
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:53.639
ain't talking about them.

1029
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.679
A talking to the north of down Town. You come

1030
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.800
out there on Lane Avenue is the main road right there. Yeah,

1031
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.079
I know that. When you came off Lane Avenue, if

1032
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.119
you came from my town, come down Lane Avenue. You

1033
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.760
took a left, went around the gas station, past the Dennys,

1034
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.159
and there's the hotel. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But

1035
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:10.639
you'd be out you have to take a right off

1036
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:13.000
Lane to go to the other hotels. There's no other

1037
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.880
hotels on that side. Okay, I'm saying, all of stays

1038
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:16.960
in Deerfield apartment right.

1039
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:19.159
Okay, so you come out Deerfield and you bought a

1040
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:20.639
right that's going towards the interstate.

1041
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:21.400
Right, you know what I'm saying.

1042
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.760
The hotel, the first will tell me that it's on

1043
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:24.039
the right.

1044
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.639
The other one's on the left. That's hom Lane Avenue

1045
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.760
going left. That's old Alley. I don't even know what

1046
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.519
the bowling out there. I don't know Lane Avenue like that.

1047
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.280
Only time the two hotels over there. Yeah, cross the

1048
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.199
street from each other. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

1049
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.639
The Diamonding was right there, and that other hotels right there,

1050
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:41.360
and then there's a third hotel right there.

1051
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.800
That's why I was asking. Oh, I don't know, I just.

1052
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:44.039
Know it was.

1053
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.400
I ain't talking about, like I said, the days and

1054
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.320
I know the days in the order the other side

1055
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.000
of the interstate. Yeah, I ain't talking about those. Now

1056
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:55.000
there's an executive n uh budget in and Diamond her

1057
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:56.800
Diamond hotel, and it was the Buzzy and it was

1058
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.559
I know, it was a cheap, cheap ass hotel.

1059
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:02.400
You like you had sliding glass oars and ship then anyway, damn.

1060
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:05.559
She stayed one two nights in Dominant. You remember the

1061
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.159
first hotel. First night I stayed there and then you

1062
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:11.119
moved to the other hotel. Nah, actually ship I stayed.

1063
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:18.519
I stayed with Allen h stayed at the Comfort in

1064
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:22.719
at the beach, Okay.

1065
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.199
But then you hit hit and you did all that cramp.

1066
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.480
You stayed at the Holiday Inn at and what's the

1067
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.480
ship called. I know there's a waffle house right beside it.

1068
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.000
I don't know, like I know, it's a bunch of

1069
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.440
rich people to live around there. It's offered. It's off

1070
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.920
the interstate. There's an embassy suite trad there.

1071
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.119
How j T b on know what j TV is

1072
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.480
Turner Butler or somewhere down there. I know you gotta

1073
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:48.480
I got a night's only one way. There's only one

1074
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.320
way in and one way out. I think I know

1075
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.280
what you're talking about on money. So now you stayed

1076
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:53.840
at all these places, and you said you go back

1077
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:55.719
to Charles. Yeah, What's like, how do you get back

1078
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.760
to Charleston? The reason we went back to Charleston was

1079
00:55:58.159 --> 00:55:59.480
you get back to you said, you met up and

1080
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.960
you got me. Tiffany came back to Charleston. What happened?

1081
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.880
Alan and Bruce? Allan and Bruce was here.

1082
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:05.960
Ala went to his house and Bruce we dropped Bruce

1083
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.119
off in Bigger County. Bruce was like, I gotta go

1084
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.400
people to be people to be asking questions.

1085
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.079
When did you drop Bruce off from Baker? I mean,

1086
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:14.960
was it with you the whole time in all these hotels?

1087
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:15.320
No?

1088
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:18.639
No hell on the Bruce Bruce. I mean what Bruce

1089
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:22.280
stayed with us at the night that I got on

1090
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.639
the night that I came there and got the credit card?

1091
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:33.280
Was that them hold up ship even before that, man,

1092
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.920
I mean after that, Bruce stay with this at they're

1093
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.000
really cheap ass hotel.

1094
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.760
And he didn't stay with us at that the first hotel,

1095
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.519
but he was like there for like whatever. But he

1096
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.280
I mean, but he didn't stay there because him, he

1097
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:45.199
stayed at Allen's. Us.

1098
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.800
Bruce was with us from the all also that the

1099
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.440
first night, not the first night, the first I tell

1100
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.880
about Daddy's who all stayed there? You and Tiffany, Yeah, me,

1101
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.679
Tiffany and Allen and Alan Tiffany And I don't.

1102
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:57.880
Even know if he stayed there because I think he

1103
00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:59.280
went home too, because he.

1104
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.519
Was like right there. I just remember he was down.

1105
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.280
I remember he was there like whatever, but I mean

1106
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.599
gives from Baker County, yeah, right, and then and then

1107
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.920
we dropped out and off and then me and her

1108
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:10.480
shot back here.

1109
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:13.719
What'd you dropped off the house state? He stayed in Diffield,

1110
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.719
Christ and you shot back to South Carolina just you

1111
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.400
and Tiffany. Yeah, nobody else. I got the Minster, she

1112
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:21.199
got the Luman. You know what I'm saying. She's telling me.

1113
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:22.480
So she got two cars down there.

1114
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.559
Yeah, she already had her she had her car. Now

1115
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.920
her car was that it was a green Lubla when

1116
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:29.000
the Mazda was the g real car.

1117
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.079
Now, right, So I got the Masda. You know what

1118
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.440
I'm saying. I'm driving the mas and ship.

1119
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.679
She's got the luman pretty much, this, this and that

1120
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.000
the third to ride a car that you mean?

1121
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.079
Why the car She's already got a Lumina.

1122
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.199
Oh no, we were ready the car on. But you came

1123
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.000
down together in the car, didn't it. Yeah, that's what

1124
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:47.400
I'm saying. She was like, look, we gonna wreck the

1125
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.000
car and we're gonna go down there. So where'd the

1126
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.280
Luna come from? That's her car she going for? How

1127
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.519
to get she had them allud, that's my question? How

1128
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.719
to get to Florida with? Yeah, you said got him

1129
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.000
till they rode down together and the Mansda that. But

1130
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.039
you said when you run back, you took the Monster

1131
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:04.039
and she took the Loop. Yeah.

1132
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.159
She we me and her came back to Charleston together.

1133
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.280
I took the Monster and went away and she got

1134
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:08.559
the Loop.

1135
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.480
Then when you left Florida, you FoST left in the monster. Yeah,

1136
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:13.639
that was what you just spent. It sound like you

1137
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:16.679
took the Monster back to Charleston. I wonder where when

1138
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.119
it came from. Yeah, because the loop the luminer was

1139
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.440
that her brother was driving Charleston the whole time, right,

1140
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:23.280
her brother was driving them home. So you and she

1141
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:26.519
go back in the monster. Then when you get to Charleston.

1142
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:28.000
I got to take the monsters, because she kept mentioning

1143
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:29.920
about I gotta take you back. I gotta take about like, look,

1144
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:30.719
I'm don'ta pay for it.

1145
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.400
I don't worry about this word don't pay for it.

1146
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:36.000
But that's a good line anyway. You just jumping off,

1147
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:43.119
So what you do with it? Damn? She was like,

1148
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.840
look told us now. She was like she was like

1149
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:47.360
she called me.

1150
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.400
She was like, no, Alan called me. They was like,

1151
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.239
Ala was like, look, I'm in Charleston. I don't get

1152
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:52.679
the Charleston.

1153
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:54.960
He was like, I'm up here with Tiffany and Ship.

1154
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:56.519
I was like where Bruce had. It's like, Bruce back

1155
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:58.400
and make your county shit. I was like, okay.

1156
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.320
He was like, look needs more money. No, he was

1157
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.559
like the card is fucked up. That's what he told me.

1158
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:05.559
And that's when I called y'all. And that's when really

1159
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.519
the whole shit came to play, and I was like, Okay,

1160
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:10.239
I was like, gonna tell Tiffany to get a room,

1161
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:11.400
and it was hard to get a room with some

1162
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:12.159
bullshit like that.

1163
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:14.480
I don't remember you got the rooms. I get there

1164
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.519
and that's when it was like bam. He handed me

1165
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:18.760
the car and shit and he was like, look, we

1166
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:20.280
try to car, try depend up it.

1167
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:20.840
It wouldn't work.

1168
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.800
I was like, fuck so them no.

1169
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.480
That's when he was like Dante called. That's when he

1170
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.679
told me. He was like, look, shit fucked up. And

1171
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:30.480
I was like what do you mean? And that's when

1172
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:32.159
the whole shit came about the fucking people. I was like,

1173
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:34.280
what do you mean about the people? And he was like, look,

1174
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.000
fuck them, situation. I need to help you get out

1175
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:37.199
the shit.

1176
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:38.039
You know what I'm saying. And I was like, what

1177
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.119
do you mean? He was like, the car don't work.

1178
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:40.440
No more.

1179
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:42.599
Police already go about the people and shit they talking

1180
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.800
about uh Dante's mom, police stuff been up there. They

1181
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:47.599
didn't see in the car from a helicopter and shit.

1182
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:49.719
I'm like, slow, damn man, what are you talking about?

1183
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:51.960
And that's when the whole shit happened about the people.

1184
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.280
And I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna help you

1185
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:56.599
out that's the first thing that came to mind. You

1186
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:57.960
know what I'm saying, I gonna help you out, get

1187
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.639
the fuck the situation. I'm gonna help you out what happened.

1188
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.280
That's when he breaks the shit down to me, tells

1189
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:03.719
me about burying the people. You know what I'm saying.

1190
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:05.559
Him and Bruce stunted out the whole the ship was

1191
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:07.559
Tiffany basically, like I said, the ship is Tiffany's on

1192
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:09.679
you know what I'm saying, And the ship went from there.

1193
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:11.719
Alan knew I could get there with that car. You

1194
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.480
know what I'm saying. I told Alan, I ain't a

1195
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:14.800
lot to you in the beginning. I asked him.

1196
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.519
I was like, why didn't you just tell me about

1197
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:17.920
the murder? Why didn't you ask me to help you

1198
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:20.000
with the murder? You know what I'm saying, Because I mean,

1199
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:21.599
you know how shit is. Shit's fucked up.

1200
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.480
You can't trust nobody, man. But you went down there

1201
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.000
to help me with the lick initially, didn't you.

1202
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.239
Yeah, But stealing some money is a bit different from

1203
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:29.360
killing two fucking people.

1204
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:30.079
You know what I'm saying.

1205
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.440
I told you all this, man, And look, I don't

1206
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.079
care if you quote me I'll say this into in

1207
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:34.840
front of the judge.

1208
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.400
Man, and this is serious shit.

1209
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:38.599
If I kill them people, man, I wouldn't have no where,

1210
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:39.880
I wouldn't have no co defendits.

1211
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:40.039
Man.

1212
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.199
I mean, my grandmother, is, my uncles, everybody just taught me.

1213
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.079
But man, murder is the easiest, easiest charge in the

1214
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.000
world to get away with, you know what I'm saying.

1215
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.920
Not in your case, No, he'll feel what I'm saying.

1216
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:52.119
Though.

1217
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.199
It's one of the easiest things to get away with though,

1218
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:55.199
you know what I'm saying, But it's one of the

1219
01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:56.119
hardest things to do.

1220
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:58.400
You know what I'm saying. That's that's when people fuck up.

1221
01:00:58.400 --> 01:00:59.840
I don't think it's too easy to get away with

1222
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.760
it either. The perfect crime isn't one nobody knows about it.

1223
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.199
Well, look at all the unsolved murders that are in

1224
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:06.960
this world. That's because one mother did it.

1225
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.039
Look at all the solved murders that there in this world.

1226
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.360
I don't know it. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes

1227
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.519
it's just one person that don't make any damn difference.

1228
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.440
But that's a stupid motherfucker though, you know what I'm saying,

1229
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:16.920
that's a probably nine out of ten is a person

1230
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:17.800
that didn't.

1231
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.599
It wasn't premeditative murder. I'll put it that way. This

1232
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:21.679
wasn't pre meditated.

1233
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.679
No, I'm saying about if a person that usually nine

1234
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:25.880
oft of ten gets caught, I'm pretty sure it ain't premeditated.

1235
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.559
The person's gonna sit there and plan think acted out.

1236
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:31.400
Come on, man, you're gonna literally go through your brain.

1237
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:33.480
Okay, I gotta do this. I'm smart enough to know

1238
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:34.039
how to do this.

1239
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:35.800
Come on, They probatically put it on TV how to

1240
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.159
get away with anything these days.

1241
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:37.519
You.

1242
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.400
Yeah, I gotta be honest with you. You're one of

1243
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:41.719
the best storytellers I've ever heard in my life.

1244
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:42.519
You know.

1245
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.280
But but but you're spending stories to me. Man. That's

1246
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:46.719
why I say.

1247
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.599
I mean, it's there like a I can camp fire

1248
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:51.480
or something in the jail. If that everybody gets around

1249
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.360
the night and listens to you spend stories because you're

1250
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:53.960
good man.

1251
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:55.960
Like I said, full of it.

1252
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.280
But you're good. Listen. I got told you from the beginning.

1253
01:01:58.800 --> 01:01:59.840
I fucked up. You know what I'm saying.

1254
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.159
Saying thing I told my grandma. My grandmother asked, why

1255
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:04.320
did you do that? It wasn't the simple fact that

1256
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:05.079
you know what I'm saying.

1257
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:08.079
Okay, what why don't we go back to to to

1258
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.239
the first story you told us, which is, oddly enough,

1259
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:14.679
I remember everything I told oddly enough mine, that's the

1260
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:17.840
one I believe. Okay, because that's the first one you're

1261
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.599
gonna read. Because okay, you know now, I mean out

1262
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.440
in the room, let phrase that. The beginning of the

1263
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.320
story you told us that night was total crap. Okay,

1264
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:27.719
the beginning. I don't know nothing about it. Nothing. You

1265
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.039
didn't call anybody. I don't I would never call the

1266
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.440
freaking police. You think I'm stupid, Well, I spoke to you.

1267
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:35.440
You want to hear it on tape? Okay, Yeah, I

1268
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:37.760
called the police. Okay, Yeah, I mean we went around

1269
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.079
and around around, and you kept kind of sort of

1270
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:42.159
remembering that. Okay, Yeah, okay, we got you on that one.

1271
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:43.480
So I'll go ahead and come clean on that.

1272
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:45.000
And that's what I just told you though. I told

1273
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:46.400
him I would help him out. And that's when I

1274
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:46.960
called y'all.

1275
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:48.000
You know what I'm saying.

1276
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:48.599
I called y'all.

1277
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.719
Okay, I don't even know how to sell man.

1278
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:52.519
So you send her tell us, tell us and expect

1279
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.000
us to believe that after Alan Waite's this here and

1280
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:58.480
tells you that that he and Bruce killed this old couple. Bruce,

1281
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:01.199
I mean Alan somehow makes it back to Charleston, comes

1282
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.639
and talks to you, admits everything, and then and then

1283
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:10.639
gives you gives it, gets back, gives you the card back,

1284
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:14.599
and then and talk and and and pretend to be

1285
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:15.239
the dead guy. No.

1286
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.719
See, he gave me the card because I was like, Okay,

1287
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:19.719
I'm gonna either get on the phone, I'm gonna get

1288
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:21.159
on the internet. I'm gonna try to do something to

1289
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:22.920
open the card up, you know what I'm saying, to

1290
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:23.440
get the money.

1291
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:25.360
That's how it richen. He didn't tell me, hey, we

1292
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.320
just killed two people.

1293
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:31.239
Here, get this card open for you.

1294
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.039
What I'm saying in the beginning, he didn't say he

1295
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:34.800
goes the card you know what I'm saying. Or no,

1296
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:36.519
he didn't say we killed two people. Get the card on.

1297
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.360
It was get the card on. This is how this

1298
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:38.880
is what happened.

1299
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:39.760
Doesn't lost your mind?

1300
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:41.119
You know, I lose the mind.

1301
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.559
Everybody else's story don't match nothing to you. That who

1302
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.360
I ain't got nothing to do with. Everybody was this lord,

1303
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.840
here's your problem. You do have everything to do with

1304
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.639
that and your story you just told us interesting as

1305
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.599
it was, it's crap and I can prove it.

1306
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:55.000
Well.

1307
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:57.480
First of all, you Alan and Tiffany went together and

1308
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.679
the Silver Monster back to Charleston. Okay, well though splitting

1309
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.039
up none of the ship. You want to see the

1310
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.159
video from you guys at the Endmark gas station and

1311
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:07.480
pull Or Georgia when he stopped for gas on your

1312
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.280
return trip. Where are you?

1313
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:11.039
We went back and forth to Florida and saw it

1314
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:11.920
was about ten times.

1315
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.840
No, no, I, this was the day of you can

1316
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.039
admit es is the day before you were caught using

1317
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.840
the victims card. I have all of that on video

1318
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.719
and it didn't work. That's right, But you three her

1319
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:29.239
together on your return trip, ain't. No Alan suddenly shows

1320
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.079
up bullshit? Okay, he rode with you up there. You

1321
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.599
you can't even look me in the eye and tell

1322
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.519
me that. Now, listen, you're right. He rolled with it.

1323
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.760
But like I said, he was up there fifty times.

1324
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:41.840
He was stopped talking with you up and down he

1325
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.800
screw around me. Now he could be up there fifty times,

1326
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:46.800
he wasn't up and down there fifty times in the

1327
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:49.840
Master with the victim's card after they were dead. Okay,

1328
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.199
because you didn't have that kind of time. Okay. The

1329
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.039
first time we talked to you, Okay, the first time

1330
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:58.039
we talked to you, which you meaning night Tuesday night

1331
01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.639
around the little left well was close to midnight. No,

1332
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.360
it was close to midnight that I spoke to you. Okay.

1333
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:10.039
That was the first time I spoke to you. Okay, Wednesday, Okay, Wednesday,

1334
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:12.599
we already had the full history of where you've been

1335
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.960
with that car, okay, and then Thursday and then got

1336
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.199
arrested in Charleston. Okay. You didn't have time to go back

1337
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.880
and forth. I'm back and forth like you're trying to

1338
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.280
sell me. Okay, you just went back up there because

1339
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.079
in between that time we got the rental car, we

1340
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.079
got all kinds of crap. Okay, we have you are Italian.

1341
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:30.639
Tuesday was hard up there.

1342
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.880
The rental car was put there Tuesday and Wednesday night,

1343
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.639
the day before we got arrested. No, Tuesday night, the

1344
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:39.679
night I went to that hotel when I met all them,

1345
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.400
when I went went to them and the Best Western,

1346
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:43.599
that rental car was dropped off right there inside the

1347
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.320
Home Enterprise.

1348
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:47.719
When you picked up the Lumina and you all left

1349
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:50.679
in the together, you Tim for me and Allen. That's

1350
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:51.159
what I'm saying.

1351
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:52.960
That's the same night that we was at the hotel

1352
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:54.000
the Tuesday night.

1353
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:57.840
You know, about twenty minutes ago. You told me that

1354
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.320
you Tiffany went up there together, and somehow I just

1355
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.440
showed up and called to you and said, I need your.

1356
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:03.679
Help, I need money, I need your help.

1357
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:06.440
Okay, that's bullshit. He went with you and the freaking

1358
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:08.760
Mazda from Florida to Charleston. It was with you the

1359
01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:11.280
entire time win them.

1360
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:11.920
You know.

1361
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.519
I'm say let me, let me put this real simply. Okay,

1362
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.119
After you all went to the people's house and took

1363
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.760
them with leg and took them to Baker County, Okay,

1364
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.519
and buried them alive in a fucking hole, and then

1365
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.639
went and hit the ATM machine and went to the hotel. Okay.

1366
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:32.320
After you did all that stuff, Okay, then y'all stopped

1367
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:34.960
in Georgia on the way to Charleston. Then you'll get

1368
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.920
to Charleston, and I've got all your little ATM videos

1369
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.440
and attempts to use the card all the way along

1370
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:40.760
the way.

1371
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:42.920
The store has an excellent video. By the way, I

1372
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.880
watched Mazda pull up. Watch all you three jokers get

1373
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.719
out of the Mazda okay, and go in the store.

1374
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:51.920
So at no separate cars he met us.

1375
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.800
Crap. Okay, you gotta think of a new story, because

1376
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.159
that's when they'm working for me. Now this is even better. Okay,

1377
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.599
consider them. You didn't get there till what three am

1378
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.960
something like that, and you immediately went and you see

1379
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:04.599
a ATM machine. That's what I did.

1380
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:05.119
Then.

1381
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.800
It's really really hard for me to have you on

1382
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:11.920
video in the Walmart and normally Boulevard before that. Real difficult,

1383
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.400
isn't it? At the Walmart? At the Walmart on video

1384
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.719
you and Tiffany okay and Alan for that matter. Oh

1385
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:22.800
I got so much crap. You were so freaking buried.

1386
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:24.960
You don't even know. It's what I'm saying. You said

1387
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.320
on the night, the night that the people got killed.

1388
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.079
I'm at the Walmart. You have the Walmart.

1389
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:30.400
Who man, look at you?

1390
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:31.880
Oh wow, another bombshell.

1391
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:33.400
Let me say, you know all that stuff you can

1392
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.400
do because you get on the computer. Guess what.

1393
01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.159
When was I supposedly at the Walmer at the time

1394
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:40.400
for a day supposedly.

1395
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:44.280
I actually on video at the Walmart. Okay that day,

1396
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:49.760
that Tuesday, that and Tuesday. Shit, that's try Friday.

1397
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.199
Okay to Friday. That Friday, I was at that Walmart.

1398
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:55.320
They gotta be on video on video before I use

1399
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:56.119
the card, after.

1400
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:59.559
I use the card before. Man, I got to see that.

1401
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.719
I got to will exhibit. It's gonna be like nine

1402
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.320
seventy six with your your your mud on it that

1403
01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:09.519
we get the show when we go to court. I

1404
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:10.400
got to see that one.

1405
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:11.800
Yeah, the lawyer ain't.

1406
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:13.840
Sharing all this with you. A lot of people about

1407
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.880
to get a new lawyer. Man, your people, because I

1408
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:18.560
don't know whatever it is doing. I got news for you.

1409
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:20.880
Your attorney that you have now, it's a good attorney.

1410
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:23.239
We gotta get Bill severy to whoever fun that is.

1411
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:25.439
They said it. Damn, he's he's supposed to be good.

1412
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.640
Please send him to speak to me. I'm just saying,

1413
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:28.319
that's what. Damn.

1414
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:32.439
Because Rigimon, I ain't got no there's been eight months.

1415
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:34.039
I ain't got no copies of discovery. I don't know

1416
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:35.960
what's going on. Man, They've been to see me one

1417
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.439
time in eight months. Well, I don't know what's going

1418
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:42.119
on man, who wait, damn writing y'all trying to figure us.

1419
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.359
Well, you're right, I was hoping, will tell you something

1420
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.840
that's entertaining. Okay, it is, and we're enjoying our conversation.

1421
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:49.600
Get to catch you.

1422
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.319
It's good for a chop you want to you.

1423
01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:56.319
Need to write stories, okay, because you're good. Good. I'm trying.

1424
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:58.039
But you're right, you're trying to get your ass out

1425
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.439
of the crack. I mean, don't tell mebody you stood

1426
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.560
there while it happened. I believe you didn't do it.

1427
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.000
I know you were.

1428
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:07.159
Standing there watching them be buried alive. I know you

1429
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:12.479
were standing there very lashlight while they did it. Who

1430
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.119
in the right mind would say that and make you

1431
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:16.439
that ship up? You know what I'd say if I

1432
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:23.359
was like myself, wasn't another freaking state way California? Yeah, exactly,

1433
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.359
except you know the video on the Walmart would prove

1434
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:27.800
if you want California. So we're not gonna worry about that.

1435
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:30.680
The best thing you can he was to tell me

1436
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:33.840
the truth instead of scrunting around with this crowd. I mean,

1437
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.920
you already are should happen, whether you knew what was

1438
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.000
gonna happen or not okay, okay, what it is?

1439
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:41.880
So for what I'm meaning, so right now, though you

1440
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:43.720
know what I'm saying, I'm a little confused because it's

1441
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:46.239
like I ain't necessarily saying I'm confused, but okay, if

1442
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.079
you telling me, ain't telling me. It's like I don't

1443
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:51.600
heard this, this and that third you know what I'm

1444
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.439
saying from each person, I'm like, okay, that's how I

1445
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:55.640
don't know what you're saying. I'm talking about as far

1446
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.760
as Bruce saying this, Ali saying is the actually Alan,

1447
01:09:58.800 --> 01:09:59.079
I ain't.

1448
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.079
From what I heard, Alan said nothing about nothing yet.

1449
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:03.920
So the girl saying this, and it's like I'm not

1450
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:04.520
asking a little.

1451
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.319
I was like, well let me let me work with him.

1452
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:07.560
You know what I'm saying, Let's see what we can do.

1453
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:09.960
And he's talking about, well, they ain't trying to do nothing.

1454
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:11.960
They're trying to need elandatory life with a deathfinity.

1455
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:13.319
I'm like, what hold.

1456
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.279
Up, man, I ain't kill nobody. Man, Okay, if I

1457
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:17.960
knew about it, if I did anything, I ain't kill nobody.

1458
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.520
You know what I'm saying. I don't. I ain't get

1459
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.239
that need to stop screwing around and tell us the

1460
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:25.920
whole truth. Okay, I know you were there, Michael, listen

1461
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.439
to me, living finished? Okay, do that exit? Did I

1462
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.800
did you know what's gonna happen? I don't know.

1463
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:33.720
I do.

1464
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:35.800
I know you were there? Yeah, I know you were there.

1465
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:37.840
That DNA shit that should approve if it's like, okay,

1466
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:39.760
no DNA is at that, that'll prove I wasn't there?

1467
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.000
Right?

1468
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:40.399
No?

1469
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:42.399
What can if? What? What do I need to prove

1470
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:44.920
that I wasn't there? Okay? What do I need to

1471
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.760
prove that I wasn't at that place while then people

1472
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:48.399
were being batter.

1473
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:49.600
That's up to you. If you weren't there, then for

1474
01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:51.239
show some proof that you weren't what?

1475
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:52.920
What do I need? That's what I'm to tell me.

1476
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:54.720
If you weren't there, you should be. You should be

1477
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.880
able to prove that the easy okay. And what y'all

1478
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:00.680
gonna do? Y'all gonna turn around. See, we got this

1479
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:03.159
whole bunch of shit. You know they have to still

1480
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:03.880
can tie you in it.

1481
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:08.239
You tell me you know you in it.

1482
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:09.000
You're fucking in it.

1483
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:10.399
You're facing capital.

1484
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:13.000
You can sit here and try and spin it however

1485
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.800
you want, Okay, And I can understand God knows, I'm

1486
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.039
not in your position. I'm glad, I'm not, okay, but

1487
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.520
I can understand wanting to make me believe that you

1488
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:22.960
weren't there. But it ain't gonna happen. Okay, I've been

1489
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.039
doing this for too long. I have too much evidence,

1490
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.279
way too much evidence for me to ever believe that

1491
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:34.720
you weren't there. Okay, I will never believe evidence there

1492
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:36.640
if you're there holding the light and you know you

1493
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.960
think they're just strolling around. Okay, but you gotta tell

1494
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:41.760
me that ship. If if Alan did something specifically, you

1495
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.039
need to tell me something then instead of you know,

1496
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:46.600
in such and such as said something something, and if

1497
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:52.680
if Brouce did something specific specific now what you saw specifically?

1498
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:55.560
What you saw? I mean, did you see some you know,

1499
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.520
did you see Tiffany pick up a shovel and away

1500
01:11:57.640 --> 01:11:59.680
lay these old people? Or did you see Alan do

1501
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.079
something them specifically? Or did you see Bruised do something

1502
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:05.680
specifically you know, exact action that they did where you're

1503
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.520
standing there going holy shit, this is going bad. I mean,

1504
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:12.600
what what's going on at that time? Because I'll be astraving.

1505
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:14.520
I ain't never gonna be lave you weren't there, Okay,

1506
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:18.399
because we got way, We're way past that way. There's

1507
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.279
evidence that can improve I was there. There's evidence that's

1508
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:22.880
got you in a world problems right now.

1509
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:24.399
I mean I know that I don't deny it, you

1510
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:25.920
know what I'm saying. But is there evidence that improve

1511
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:27.199
I was there? That's what I'm saying.

1512
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:31.520
You have having approves you're not? Who do you have

1513
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.159
evidence to prove you're not there? Keep talking about some

1514
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:37.840
friend or some sort of doctor or something. I'm gonna

1515
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:41.600
show me anything anything You have yet to give me

1516
01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:43.840
anything or any reason for me to be because everything

1517
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.760
you told me, then you know that you want me

1518
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.640
to believe other things. I can prove that you're lying. Okay,

1519
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.039
So here's your problem. Now, you told one hundred and

1520
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:53.399
ten lies. Why the hell am I going to believe

1521
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:54.800
the next thing that comes out of your mouth?

1522
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:55.279
Of course?

1523
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.680
Okay? And I'm not doing that. I didn't I didn't

1524
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:00.479
put any words in your mouth. I didn't ask you

1525
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:02.319
to tell me anything. All I've asked you for is

1526
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:06.039
the truth from the freaking beginning. Tell me the truth, okay,

1527
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.119
the exact truth. That's all I've ever asked for. That's

1528
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:11.520
all I want in this. Okay. If you went down

1529
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:14.079
there for a lick, You went down there for a lick. Okay. Now,

1530
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.319
if you didn't know shit was gonna carry it out far,

1531
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.199
you didn't know. Now when you get there and shit's

1532
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:20.680
happening and something's going through your minds, and I need

1533
01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:23.119
to know about that shit too, Okay. If you know

1534
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.079
what was talked about or what was planned, I need

1535
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:27.399
to know about that stuff, Okay, because the only thing

1536
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:29.880
right now that that we don't have is the one

1537
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:33.920
hundred percent truth. Okay, But I've got about why. I've

1538
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:37.520
got more than enough to put it all together. You know,

1539
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:40.159
when I've got you know. I mean, we'll just start

1540
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.039
with your your repeated use of the ATM card and

1541
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:47.239
understanding that at nearly every attempt you made, whether you

1542
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.159
got cash or not, I have you on video. So

1543
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.800
that's a beautiful timeline to put you in different places

1544
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:56.640
at different times, which can prove that you worn't in

1545
01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:58.960
other places at certain times. Now we'll just go from

1546
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:02.000
there to the rental car. Okay, rental car had GPS

1547
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:03.880
on it, so that puts you in certain places at

1548
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:04.399
certain times.

1549
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.279
In the rental car, that puts the car there though.

1550
01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:08.680
I mean, okay, let's look at it like this.

1551
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.119
I guess what doest thrust of the people you're with

1552
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:13.239
put you there? Okay?

1553
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:13.840
Yea damn.

1554
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.279
I mean that's like, okay, it's like me and you

1555
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:17.960
committed crime. Oh he did it, No, he did.

1556
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:20.680
But you're gonna accuse me of committing a crime with you.

1557
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:22.000
I'm gonna say, if where was I with when this

1558
01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:23.159
crime is supposed to be committed?

1559
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:25.760
You said, bullshit, I was like a little champ, a

1560
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:28.760
little burg road. Go check the video. You can't give

1561
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.319
us nothing like that, okay, because it wasn't It wasn't.

1562
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:32.920
There.

1563
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:34.920
You already told us you were there. Everybody else told

1564
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.399
us you were there. So okay, well right now, I mean,

1565
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:39.560
you can think of stories all day, but it ain't

1566
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:40.359
gonna help.

1567
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.479
That's what I'm saying. So right now, the only thing

1568
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:43.039
I don't.

1569
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.239
Know is the only thing I don't know is you know,

1570
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:47.880
were you taking part in putting those people in the

1571
01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:49.960
ground or where you standing there? Going this is fucked up.

1572
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.600
That's the only thing I don't know. Okay, that's the

1573
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:54.920
only thing I don't know about this whole scenario. And

1574
01:14:55.000 --> 01:15:06.279
I don't know exactly. You know, if the smart yeah

1575
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:08.560
what the satellite receiver had a little smart cards, you

1576
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:10.560
can get free video and stuff off of put in

1577
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.479
another card that was missing out of the victim's house

1578
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.720
from you know earlier. That's not here there, you know,

1579
01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:18.359
you know, and then we'll just go okay, just just

1580
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.760
go to the next level. You're the computer guy, right,

1581
01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:22.640
You're the one who knows how to do that shit.

1582
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:24.600
You're smart enough to do it right now and play games.

1583
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:26.439
I mean, I know you can work that shit, Okay.

1584
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.479
I also know that Tiffany ain't smart enough to do it, okay,

1585
01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:31.479
and I'm damned out in my mind she couldn't do

1586
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.199
it if she wanted to. You know, I'm not lying

1587
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:38.279
bright Okay. And then we got Alan. Alan knew how

1588
01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:40.640
to do it, he wouldn't be calling you to do it, Okay.

1589
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.079
It's not exactly Rockets.

1590
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.079
Obviously, you're the one that has the computer knowledge. Okay.

1591
01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:46.840
You're the one smart enough to find that shit on

1592
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.359
the computer and take care of it. You told us

1593
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:49.920
that yourself, that's why they brought it to you to

1594
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:52.880
take care of Okay, you go through all that shit.

1595
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:55.119
You're the only one that's gonna be smart enough to

1596
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.680
take all the freaking bank records out of the house,

1597
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:01.000
all the insurance information to rattle off ship to me

1598
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:03.760
on the phone like such a security numbers address. You

1599
01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:05.520
tried to bullship me on the dog's name, but you

1600
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:08.039
screwed that up. Okay, I mean you came up with

1601
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:11.800
all kinds of crowd but it was wrong. Okay, you

1602
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:14.920
buried yourself. You're already buried. Okay, and you did it.

1603
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.520
I didn't do it, now, I give it. Yeah, Okay.

1604
01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:20.439
I did my homework before I came to see you. Okay,

1605
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:24.560
the first time in Charleston, I knew everything about you. Man,

1606
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.920
What about what do you mean about? There's nothing to

1607
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:29.920
know about me. I'm not a bad person. I don't

1608
01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.920
have no value. You weren't a bad person. I mean

1609
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.520
you taken it for fourteen grand claiming you are us Marshall.

1610
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:37.439
You might rob me of my dope from my shit

1611
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:39.720
in my box, but you know that that'd be different.

1612
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:41.479
But you know that if that, if that, if you

1613
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.439
define that as not being a bad person, then okay, okay,

1614
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.119
but we're on a different level now because I get

1615
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:48.000
dead people. I give what you're saying. But I ain't

1616
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:49.760
take no wady for the money. That man gave me

1617
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:51.840
that money, I'm not gonna refuse it. Did you not

1618
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.960
bullshit him into thinking he had warrants as you just

1619
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.920
explained to me you could do on the computer. He's

1620
01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.520
got your hell out of town and you were helping

1621
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.720
him out, so he just gave you the money. I

1622
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:01.720
had to bands everything.

1623
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:03.840
Oh, you know, Michael went.

1624
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:06.039
When we talked that night in Charleston, we talked about that,

1625
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.119
and I said, you know, why didn't you interfere or

1626
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:10.159
stop them in any way when they were burying these

1627
01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:13.199
people alive? And you said, because you know up in

1628
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.039
New York you can get you know, you know, you

1629
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.560
know you could be the next one. I see, you know,

1630
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:19.239
don't you have a conscience? And you told me you

1631
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:21.039
did have a conscience. I said, for that very action

1632
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:23.640
of not interfering on that is not having a conscience.

1633
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.039
It's a definition of not having a conscience, is what

1634
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:30.680
he said. That's not man, there's too many definitions for conscience.

1635
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:38.520
M Okay. So I mean I'm here as trade with it, Michael.

1636
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:42.119
At this point, yeah.

1637
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:43.880
Okay, at this point, I'm at I'm at a I'm

1638
01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.960
at it, like you said, it's like this supposed I mean,

1639
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.720
I'm gonna say, suposy, I'm gonna say, y'all got enough evidence.

1640
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:50.319
You know what I'm saying.

1641
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:53.000
I can timey, and I ain't gonna say time. I'm

1642
01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:54.560
gonna say, put me here, put me there, put me here,

1643
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:55.399
for me there, put me there.

1644
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:57.840
You know I could put you with everybody involved in

1645
01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:02.399
this prior to you, during and follow murder. That's bad, okay,

1646
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:08.399
and then voice yeah, that's bad. Okay, Then we have this.

1647
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:10.279
You know, now you know they're dead, and you still

1648
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:14.199
tap into ATM cards. We'll pick them a circumstance. You're

1649
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:18.920
a victim of your own ego. Man, greed, greed, greed,

1650
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:20.439
definitely agreed greed. Yeah.

1651
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:23.079
But when it comes, like I said, the murder and death.

1652
01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:27.079
Not, I mean, you're so damn sure to tell me

1653
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:29.600
that you didn't kill them, Tell me what the hell happened?

1654
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:39.399
Make me believe it. I mean, how am I supposed

1655
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:39.760
to do that?

1656
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:41.000
Tell me the truth?

1657
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:41.920
Tell me what happened?

1658
01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:42.199
When?

1659
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:42.560
When?

1660
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:42.880
When?

1661
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.159
When you leave I know you, I know you're at

1662
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:50.039
the house already, Okay, when you leave there, okay, when

1663
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:53.279
you leave there? You know there's a retired comicide detective

1664
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:55.960
that has a private investigation from at the park where

1665
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.119
you guys were hanging out before, by the victim's house.

1666
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:04.359
Who came right there? Wait, I just saw them down there.

1667
01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:07.159
But yeah, take me out though I wasn't never tasting

1668
01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:09.239
no football with nobody in front of no park, in

1669
01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.239
front of the house. I don't know where that came from. Somebody,

1670
01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:13.960
glease tell me where that came from. I got to

1671
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:15.760
see this video. That was one video I can I

1672
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.000
just said, no video.

1673
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:18.159
He said there were people.

1674
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:20.439
Helloyd told me that city said the state had an

1675
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.479
investigator something that saw me Alan Bruce, the girl and

1676
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:24.399
somebody don't.

1677
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:26.079
Want a football in the park and some football or

1678
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:26.840
basketball or somebody.

1679
01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:29.159
I said, shit got proved out. I know that was

1680
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:31.560
a bullgit man.

1681
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.079
Got Do you feel some compassionate about your defensive thing

1682
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:35.680
the football?

1683
01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:37.640
Yeah, because I know that that's some bulls.

1684
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.359
But you don't argue about Detective Meechamson. You're telling you

1685
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:41.880
you're at a team getting murdered.

1686
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:44.119
He's wonder the same, damn neighborhood or nothing.

1687
01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:50.560
He was just saying, man, But I mean, okay, like

1688
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:52.800
I said, you got all this evidence. Thinking time of

1689
01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:54.600
it is if I sit there and tell you, you

1690
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:58.520
know what I'm saying. See, I can't even do that

1691
01:19:58.520 --> 01:19:59.840
because you want me to tell you something that I

1692
01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:00.920
can can't tell you.

1693
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:02.600
That's the part I don't get. Well, if you can't

1694
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:04.840
bring yourself to tell me bringing myself to tell you.

1695
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:07.359
Is you want me to tell you something I can't

1696
01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:09.279
tell you. You want to say what happened? You know

1697
01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:14.760
you won't tell an It won't is it can't because

1698
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:17.640
if you do, you feels condemn what happened to those people?

1699
01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:20.079
Yeah, I can tell you what I was told all day.

1700
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:22.560
Tell us what you saw it happen.

1701
01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:25.600
Did people get killed out and not see that ship happened?

1702
01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:27.880
You're standing You said there, told me they were big.

1703
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.119
Told you light that they groaned when they dropped him

1704
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:34.079
in the hole. They were still alive.

1705
01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.640
How about this statement? Hey, hey, how about this statement?

1706
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:41.600
Bruce took him to the bodies. Bruce just fucking hum

1707
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:42.039
us all.

1708
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.640
He just fucking humless. Yeah, yeah, I remember saying that,

1709
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:47.960
saying that, But at the same time, that can be

1710
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:51.319
taken No, no, no, no, no, no, you be taking one one.

1711
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:52.720
I'll take bets on how that them is gonna be

1712
01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:53.840
taken in front of twelve people.

1713
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:55.720
You gotta get your mom. You gotta give me some

1714
01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:57.760
fucking bond. I gotta get out of here. Yeah, he took,

1715
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:03.159
he said wanted me to. I said, give me the Florida,

1716
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:05.319
give me once I get the fuck on out of you.

1717
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:05.520
Man.

1718
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:07.199
But I did not mean I'm you know, haul ass

1719
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.840
and not come back. Look, if I was you, I

1720
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:11.319
would haul lass and not come back.

1721
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:14.319
I'd be on my computer making new ideas.

1722
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:17.600
Do you have to lose? Do you have to lose?

1723
01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.159
I've been on the run before. I know how to

1724
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:21.399
say you were on the run. Over found you.

1725
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:21.960
It was there.

1726
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:23.640
I wasn't on the run.

1727
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:25.279
I mean I could have went back and they would

1728
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.199
have locked me up for nine months of the left

1729
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:27.880
ten months.

1730
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:30.199
Between nine and eleven months. I would have had not have.

1731
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.319
Been on I wasn't on no runs. But I've been

1732
01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:35.000
on that run ship. I know how I'm trying to

1733
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:35.560
live like that.

1734
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:35.880
Man.

1735
01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:38.880
Nothing, She's not gonna get a bought here.

1736
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:44.920
I mean, if you watched all that shit happened, I

1737
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:46.239
didn't have nothing to do it. You need tell me

1738
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.359
about it. You need to tell me every last listen.

1739
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:50.399
Love it Okay, Okay, if I did okay, listen, if

1740
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:51.920
I did watch it happen, I said they had nothing

1741
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:52.199
to do it.

1742
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.439
How is that gonna help me? There's no way possible

1743
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:55.000
that can help me.

1744
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:58.039
Doesn't hurt you. You're ared of there. Okay, I'm still

1745
01:21:58.079 --> 01:21:59.760
gonna get man to like, I'm still gonna get a

1746
01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.840
kne put them on that shit. Don't help me? Man, Ooh,

1747
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:05.760
let me ask you this. Let me ask you. You're

1748
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:07.920
an adamant you didn't do it to them? Okay, you're

1749
01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.560
adamant about that positive mind. Do you feel that the

1750
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.039
people that did should be help fully responsible for it?

1751
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:16.039
Of course, then that's how you help yourself. Because if

1752
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:18.560
you ain't fully responsible, and you have evidence, a proof

1753
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:22.159
there shows who is fully responsible, that's on you. I mean,

1754
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:23.520
if you want to wear it for them, you go

1755
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:23.960
for it.

1756
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.319
You say you said I'm gonna have to wear it records?

1757
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:28.159
How am I not?

1758
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:30.079
How am I not gonna have to weave regardless? Okay,

1759
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.199
y'all got a video that does this. I got two

1760
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:33.439
dead people's credit card.

1761
01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:37.319
Man, it's in the interview. Really, well, people, twelve people.

1762
01:22:37.119 --> 01:22:40.399
I'm going down for that. You get twelve Floridians.

1763
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.079
You know what I'm saying. Okay, they just saw me July.

1764
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:45.720
They said, whenever I hit the TV suspect and killing

1765
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:47.039
these two people, I was guilty in.

1766
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:47.720
Your mind already.

1767
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:50.399
Why are we even going to Charles? Just going how

1768
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:53.000
do you been there? Come on, man, what do they

1769
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:53.319
know about?

1770
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:55.119
Just like? What do they know about Alan? What do

1771
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:58.359
they what do they know about brutus? Maybe you provide

1772
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:00.560
something for them on Bruce Allen or two? We can

1773
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:05.520
I provide for them the truth? I think I'm lost, man.

1774
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:07.479
I'm not trying to be funny, but a seriously think

1775
01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:08.840
I'm lost, okay.

1776
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:10.960
Because you're delusional in the thinking that that you can

1777
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:13.239
spin this around to despinable.

1778
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:16.079
You're not getting out, and you're not getting out before trial.

1779
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.079
You're gonna go to trial. You're gonna sit there till trial.

1780
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:21.199
There's no option about that, okay. And we've been upfront

1781
01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.159
about that from the beginning. That ain't gonna happen. And

1782
01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:26.279
I've told you that several times. You ain't getting a bond. Okay,

1783
01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:28.920
maybe you would in some other state. You're not getting

1784
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:29.880
a bond here.

1785
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:30.760
Not do to get it?

1786
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:37.039
One zero nothing, not nothing. Okay, So that ain't gonna happen.

1787
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:38.920
And we've told you that from the beginning, but you

1788
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:40.720
you didn't either just didn't want to believe us or

1789
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:41.479
just didn't believe us.

1790
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:43.560
We're screw that, it says, I feel, you know what

1791
01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:45.520
I'm saying, Like, Okay, I'm charged with burd you know

1792
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:46.159
what I'm saying.

1793
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:48.319
But if I didn't kill nobody, you know what I'm saying,

1794
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:50.039
you ain't charge for shoplifting.

1795
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:50.279
Men.

1796
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:52.680
How many guilty people have you talked to in the jail?

1797
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:57.399
How many people in the jail they're guilty of their crimes?

1798
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:01.000
None fifty fifty was the guy that you know right

1799
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:02.960
there in their hands, you know what I'm saying. Kind

1800
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:03.640
of like this case.

1801
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:07.920
Yeah, I mean, it's like I got one hundred fingers

1802
01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:10.119
pointing that view right now, and it's ship.

1803
01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.159
The best part is is you're holding most of them.

1804
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:18.199
You did all the point in yourself. Okay. So like

1805
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:18.640
I said, I.

1806
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:22.079
Mean, what what what's the best thing that can come

1807
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:23.520
out of it from I mean, what's the best thing

1808
01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:25.800
that can happen to me? The best thing if the

1809
01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:28.399
whole truth whenever y'all get did, if everything comes out,

1810
01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:29.680
everything comes out.

1811
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.800
The absolute best thing is if if you were to

1812
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:37.439
be cooperative until everything the best thing is they're probably

1813
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:40.399
not gonna seek death bounty. Okay, but that's on the

1814
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:42.880
table right now. We can't make that deal. Okay, that's

1815
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.239
up to the state attorney. In your attorney. You come

1816
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:48.319
holy clean with them, more wholly cleaning with us. After

1817
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:51.079
talking with them, you know they can make those arrangements.

1818
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:54.760
I can't do that. Okay. You're looking at some time

1819
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:57.439
right now, if you're convicted right now, the way things

1820
01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:59.520
stin so you said, right now, the way things sting,

1821
01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:01.399
charge of worship the murder. If you have full victor

1822
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:06.640
the first three murder, you have two penalties, life or death.

1823
01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:10.960
That's it. I cannot he cannot make a deal. It

1824
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:13.119
takes that off take you said the state attorney again.

1825
01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.600
The state attorney can talk with you, but I'll tell

1826
01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.479
you this up front before he Yeah, listen to me.

1827
01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:21.319
I know we don't go together. Give him, but un

1828
01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:25.520
listen listen to him. He will make lawyer. He will

1829
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:28.039
not make you a promise until he's heard the whole

1830
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:29.880
truth and had a chance to look at it and

1831
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:31.399
decide if you bullship.

1832
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:31.479
Numb or not.

1833
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:33.479
Okay, but how about this though, that's the fact.

1834
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:34.000
How about this?

1835
01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:37.079
Okay, we say in front of him, truth come out.

1836
01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:38.560
You know what I'm saying, the whole truth come out.

1837
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:40.520
And at the same time, I got a lot of

1838
01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:42.000
ship that can help me in the process.

1839
01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:44.279
You know what I'm saying that that's that's up to

1840
01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:47.079
you and the attorney to discuss. Okay, I can't, I'm

1841
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.000
our attorney, say attorney, I can't. I can't. I can't

1842
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:50.640
make a deal with you.

1843
01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:54.119
Okay, we're don't have the power. Round get started to

1844
01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:55.000
Michael and if we.

1845
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:59.840
Did two what the hell does his name?

1846
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:02.520
Miss Ra? Yeah?

1847
01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:03.039
What do you mean?

1848
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:03.840
It's up to they said.

1849
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:05.520
When I went in the courtroom, right, this is what

1850
01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:08.800
they said. He said, like the first they started with

1851
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:12.079
the bond hearing thing, because Richard was like, my client,

1852
01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:13.319
whatever data about here?

1853
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:15.079
He said. That's when he said it was up to

1854
01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:15.640
the detective.

1855
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.359
He said, the detectives got to put in an affidavid

1856
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:20.199
evidence that evidence.

1857
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:23.560
I don't know, no, no technique. Shit is man, I

1858
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:25.840
don't know how that know, we don't. But then I asked,

1859
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:28.199
what are we asking for? You're asking for discovery? When

1860
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.399
you're at the bond hearing everything. Okay, the David is

1861
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:33.800
we have to have submitted everything to the state for

1862
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:36.920
them to make it available to the defense. Okay, Uh,

1863
01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:39.039
they can't give you what they don't have. In other words, no,

1864
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:41.640
are you talking about the bond here and a deal?

1865
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:42.000
You know?

1866
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:43.239
Imcause I asked Richard, I was.

1867
01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:45.119
Like, we don't. We don't make the deal. Okay. What

1868
01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:47.239
would happen is is you'd have to you'd have to

1869
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:50.560
tell us every day. Let us go look at everything

1870
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.159
and see if it's truthful or not. Okay, as best

1871
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:55.439
as we can determine. And sometimes we can say it

1872
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:57.760
definitely is. Sometimes we can say it definitely isn't. Sometimes

1873
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:02.720
we say don't know. Sounds good, But we have to

1874
01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:04.560
feel we're getting the whole truth. If we feel like

1875
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:07.560
we're getting bullshitted, Why why would I kind of deal

1876
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:09.199
if I feel like you're just giving me half truce

1877
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:11.079
or something good, you know what I mean? Why would

1878
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.640
I recommend to the state that they consider what you're

1879
01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:16.640
telling us? Okay? You know, And that's that's all we

1880
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:18.479
can do, is tell the state that, hey, what he's

1881
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:21.319
told us appears valid or so it appears like a

1882
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:22.640
whole another dairy story.

1883
01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:25.399
So it's up to the state of Yeah, but before

1884
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:27.199
he's gonna say anything, but before.

1885
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:28.720
He'll make a deal with you. I'm telling you right now,

1886
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:30.199
I know he got to go to yoth No. No,

1887
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:32.520
he wants to hear everything first and give us a

1888
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.159
chance to go see if it's true or if you're

1889
01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:34.920
just blowing smoking.

1890
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:35.199
Yeah.

1891
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.159
So okay, I see because what if I say, hypothetically, okay,

1892
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:44.119
you tell me everything and I'll take this penalty off

1893
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:46.520
the table guaranteed. I'm kind allowed to do that.

1894
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:50.000
Technically, that's like a lawyer, lawyer guarantee you're going.

1895
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:52.600
But then you tell me you know, uh, you know

1896
01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.159
it was half off and three strippers from New York

1897
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:55.960
that kill these people.

1898
01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:58.039
Okay to I don't know what the hell you're gonna

1899
01:27:58.039 --> 01:27:58.359
tell me.

1900
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.039
Ye ain't getting the deal till they know what's on

1901
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:01.920
the table. Okay, Okay, you know what I'm saying.

1902
01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:03.760
Yeah, that's how now I work with a home but

1903
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:05.560
it's active ben Berkey County like that. On time he

1904
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:07.359
told me, he said, look, it's how it's gonna work.

1905
01:28:07.399 --> 01:28:08.960
You got to give me something and we'll get you

1906
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:10.640
up them, know me up for.

1907
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:13.880
Them is for here. You got to give them everything.

1908
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:18.479
No withholding I'm talking about them. He told me, he

1909
01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:19.920
was like, give me something. They came and got me.

1910
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:20.720
I give him something.

1911
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:22.000
They got me a bond, you know what I'm saying.

1912
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:23.439
And then I helped him. Then I work with him.

1913
01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:26.760
From the same Michael removed the word bond from you.

1914
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:31.159
It's probation, man. This the only thing here is you

1915
01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.000
know that that The only options they have right now

1916
01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:37.359
is to look. If they feel you're giving full, truthful disclosure,

1917
01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:42.960
then they may be inclined to to do something with them.

1918
01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:45.640
We can't make that laser charges on. I don't know,

1919
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:46.479
it's not up to us.

1920
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.119
See, Like the whole murder change is like you got

1921
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:50.920
to actually kill somebody to be charged with murder?

1922
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:51.279
Right now?

1923
01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:52.960
How does that work? That's what I need to know.

1924
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:54.840
How does that work? How am I being charged?

1925
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.399
It's called it cause you and I go into a

1926
01:28:56.439 --> 01:28:58.840
convenience store to do a lake. You get pissed off

1927
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:00.840
and shoot and kill. You need to a clerk.

1928
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:04.720
They both held shoulder.

1929
01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:08.479
But if the video shows that I was like Dolly

1930
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:09.079
murder role.

1931
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:13.199
So how how then nothing can help me. Then intent

1932
01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:15.800
can help you. There's a difference between a fellowly murder

1933
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:20.119
and a first degree premeditative murder. Oh, I give what

1934
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:21.640
you're saying. I got the show. I ain't had no

1935
01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:23.960
planning in killing these fucking people, and ship like that.

1936
01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:26.640
And then oh didn't didn't hold the shovel, didn't didn't

1937
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:27.520
do anything else.

1938
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.520
The finger Printsy'll say, y'all got the shoves that finger

1939
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:32.640
prints ship out and mother, oh.

1940
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:39.840
Man, all right, check it out, right? So we got

1941
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:43.439
to start from day one. Yeah, I mean, we need

1942
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:46.159
to start at the beginning. And you know that that's

1943
01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:49.119
just the way it goes, all right?

1944
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:49.600
Is that?

1945
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:51.439
So like I said, I come out, you know, give

1946
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:53.880
y'all whatever, you know what I'm saying. And then like

1947
01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:56.399
I said, a bunch more ship you know what I'm saying.

1948
01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:58.199
They can't help that state attorney.

1949
01:29:57.640 --> 01:29:59.399
Do you want to do you want to talk to

1950
01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.960
your lawyer, but do you just want us to talk

1951
01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:03.439
to the state attorney and come back and meet with

1952
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:05.119
you again? This is this is off the record, right.

1953
01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:07.720
That's how between me and you, this is this is

1954
01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:08.079
the deal.

1955
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:11.439
My parents told me. The way my grandma said, she said, look,

1956
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:12.600
you got to do the right thing.

1957
01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:14.039
My grandma told me straight up you know what I'm saying,

1958
01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:16.399
because it's it's fucking life at state you know what

1959
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:16.800
I'm saying.

1960
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:20.760
So straight up she's handling everything.

1961
01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:20.960
With the lawyers.

1962
01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:23.600
Like I said, with this whole ship, would do Bill Shevard,

1963
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.880
whatever the fuck that is. But I told Nancy, the

1964
01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:29.159
paralegal for Richard, I said, we ain't doing want to

1965
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.079
seeking co counselor you know what I'm saying, We just

1966
01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:33.239
cause I want to get this. I want an emotional discovery.

1967
01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:35.039
I want all this ship so I can let me

1968
01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:37.560
see what's this funny. I want to see what's in

1969
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:37.880
front of me.

1970
01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:40.239
So I didn't have any life, none of that stuff. No,

1971
01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:41.760
he told he just wanted told me that y'all was

1972
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:42.479
coming to get all that.

1973
01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.359
But so, like I said, and we can all sit

1974
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:47.960
in front of the state attorney, I don't need I

1975
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:48.960
don't necessarily need.

1976
01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:49.439
Like this point.

1977
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:53.520
At this point, Michael, the state Attorney's gonna say, Now, that's.

1978
01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:55.560
What I'm saying. You know, if you want us to

1979
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:56.760
arrange that, we can do that.

1980
01:30:56.840 --> 01:30:58.600
This is know what I'm saying. I know that you

1981
01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.960
know I'm totally I told really understand that you know

1982
01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:02.760
what I'm saying. Well, what I'm saying, I don't.

1983
01:31:03.439 --> 01:31:09.119
Can I have my letter you comes that, don't answer.

1984
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:10.560
But at the same time, you can do it you want.

1985
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:13.520
I'm not you whatever you want you.

1986
01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:16.800
Said, you said, you said, aside from this, you could

1987
01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:20.000
no whole bunch of others, whole bunch of other ship.

1988
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:23.119
Gang of ship, what manig Like I said, how serious

1989
01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:25.920
the stuff we're talking about? Drugs all kind of ship.

1990
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.439
I'm talking about elite right dam in front of you.

1991
01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.960
Not no oh go here tomorrow, but nah, no bullshit,

1992
01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:34.720
Like I'm talking about serious ship, some real straight up ship.

1993
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.079
Like I said, look look up the murdering blanding that

1994
01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:39.119
happened with the expedition the dou.

1995
01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:42.640
He the dude ain't died too in the hospital, but he

1996
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:44.720
didn't die, but the other motherfucker got away. I know

1997
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:47.199
where he at right now, I said, looked at it.

1998
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:48.760
I think it was Clay County and some ship. I

1999
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:50.039
don't know how the whole border ship.

2000
01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.039
I know everything in Jacksonville that, Like I said, I

2001
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:54.720
know what gang of drugs is, right, I'm talking about

2002
01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:57.800
keys of dope, keys a dope, No bullshit I'm not

2003
01:31:57.800 --> 01:31:59.479
gonna sit there, like I said, fuck the stories fun

2004
01:31:59.600 --> 01:31:59.800
this this.

2005
01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:01.880
Is my life. You know what I'm saying, You got

2006
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:02.399
a new song.

2007
01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:04.359
If i't gonna get a bond, I at least gotta

2008
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:06.600
get you know, fuck that life ship.

2009
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:09.159
You know what I'm saying something oo, I gotta get

2010
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:13.279
enough man where I'll tell you what I the turn

2011
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:16.600
is gonna want to know what this kind of stuff. Yeah,

2012
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:18.359
but you just want to know about this case did

2013
01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.640
on this. That's what it takes him of cause I mean,

2014
01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:24.399
I'll be honest, Sure we love to do the rest

2015
01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:26.199
of this check it out, but I ain't nearly as

2016
01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:28.279
interested as that as I am in details on this

2017
01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:31.600
because that's this is yas phone. No past I can

2018
01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:33.159
feel them. I ain't gonna say I can feel them,

2019
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:39.880
but man, I got show Man. So I mean, when

2020
01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:41.319
I think about it, write it's another note.

2021
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:43.319
No that I mean, I know I can writch you.

2022
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:49.439
What I'm saying is like this from day I mean

2023
01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:52.640
I'm talking about I'm gonna go from the time the

2024
01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:55.680
fucking call me from there to the day y'all the

2025
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:56.119
rest of them.

2026
01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:59.239
You know what I'm saying. Now, this is what I'm

2027
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:00.720
gonna do. I'm gonna righte shit. You know what I'm saying.

2028
01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:02.119
Don't had the ship in front of people whatever. You

2029
01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:03.359
know what I'm saying. Dah dah, dah dah.

2030
01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:05.439
And like you said, if I sit in front of

2031
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:07.760
the say attorney, then you know, like I said, you said,

2032
01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.520
then right there he said, he's got to hear it.

2033
01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:11.800
You know what I'm saying. But then we work out something.

2034
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:13.800
You canna start from winning from when he called.

2035
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:15.800
You, from the time Alan called me, from the time

2036
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:17.479
he was like, look, here's the deal.

2037
01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:19.520
I got something. You know what I'm saying, cause I

2038
01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:21.399
ain't gonna lie. That's it. That's how the whole shit started.

2039
01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:23.760
I chilled out with Allen spending the day of fourteen

2040
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.279
thousand A doon't went his way. Me and Tiffany came

2041
01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:29.399
back here and like I said, back to Florida, back

2042
01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:31.680
to trash the owner, not back here, back to Charleston.

2043
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.840
That's what it was. How did how did Allen know

2044
01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:37.479
to find these people? Alan didn't know the findest poglativity? Fine, right,

2045
01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:40.279
so now how he called you to say check this out?

2046
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:41.920
How the whole shit even came about?

2047
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:42.159
Man?

2048
01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:44.640
Was them We stayed the night and in people's house.

2049
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:47.039
We me and Tiffany came down here to visit Allen.

2050
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:48.920
You know what I'm saying. This is before I even

2051
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:53.760
got more money. Matter of fact, was it? Yeah? Hell yeah,

2052
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:55.720
it was before I even got my money. Came down here.

2053
01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:57.960
Tiffany was like, I know some people down here.

2054
01:33:58.000 --> 01:33:59.399
We can stay with you. You know what I'm saying, just

2055
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:01.840
to you know what, sleep real quick. And because we

2056
01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:03.039
visited Alien.

2057
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:05.359
But we did, we can know hotel some other bullshit?

2058
01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:07.239
Is a card some bullshit or the fucking card I

2059
01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:07.760
don't remember.

2060
01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:11.600
Damn, that's what she called that, lady up, spend the

2061
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:15.880
night there and themn next day we was gone.

2062
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:18.520
When the smart card got missing, tell us the truth

2063
01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:18.920
about that.

2064
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:21.520
Come on, I would tell you missing out of there

2065
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:24.680
she called, right, I remember because Tiffany called me. She

2066
01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:26.680
was like, did you take a satellite card to some

2067
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:30.319
type of bullshit? And told her now, no, I ain't

2068
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:31.880
taking him. No, not for what.

2069
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:33.680
I don't even have a house. What when he can

2070
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:34.399
satellite car for.

2071
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:37.319
Ty sell it to somebody?

2072
01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:40.800
No, ain't no, damn crackhead type ship man won't make money.

2073
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:43.359
You gonna get money, Get money, nah, damn.

2074
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:49.000
It's like, like I said, pretty much, how long before

2075
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:52.079
we visited them people one more time? What't even more time?

2076
01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:55.159
It really really just came back down here was chilling

2077
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:58.439
out with Autland again. And then, like I said, we

2078
01:34:58.479 --> 01:34:59.840
went over there matter of fact, because I left for

2079
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:01.079
and bagging her fucking house.

2080
01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:02.760
That's how the shit happened. I'm not a fucking nankey

2081
01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:05.640
bag in her house. And that's when the lady was like, well,

2082
01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:07.880
the card was missing and some shit. I was like, oh,

2083
01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:10.199
Mandy trying to say we stole fucking satellite.

2084
01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:12.680
I was like, no, man went in there, and I'm

2085
01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:14.920
going through the lady shit while she's right here, you know,

2086
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:17.279
fucking searching behind a little dresser and shit.

2087
01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:19.560
I'm like, man, that shit ain't here, man. And then

2088
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:21.560
that was the last time I sa eating people. Telling

2089
01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:24.439
The truth is that when you saw the bank account statements.

2090
01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:26.119
Nah, the bank account statements, Like I said, that shit

2091
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:29.159
came cause Tiffany Thow. That's when supposedly the lady sold

2092
01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:31.159
with some condo with some house or some shit like

2093
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.279
that for ninety nine thousand dollars or some shit like that,

2094
01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:34.600
And that's what I was, OK.

2095
01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:35.479
But then again.

2096
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:35.760
That one.

2097
01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:39.960
In my mind, it's like, okay to get away with something, man,

2098
01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:42.840
you can't just you know, run up in there, run out.

2099
01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:44.720
That's the dumbest thing in the fucking world to dude.

2100
01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:45.439
You know what I'm saying.

2101
01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:47.600
If you're gonna get money, you know what I'm saying,

2102
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:50.720
If you actually, if you want to get money, money,

2103
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:52.359
not ten dollars, not one hundred dollars.

2104
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:52.920
You know what I'm saying.

2105
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:55.079
That shit has got to be playing, That shit's got

2106
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:55.720
to be done right.

2107
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:56.399
You know what I'm saying.

2108
01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:58.680
You can't just whatever. You know what, this was pretty

2109
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:06.319
damn close. It was pretty damn close. I'm telling you,

2110
01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:14.239
this was close a fuck the greed greed got you.

2111
01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:16.640
It wasn't about greed. It was about greed. Man, Come

2112
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:20.520
on ATM card. Don't work ATM card. Don't want to

2113
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:22.680
turn that bitch on your tap at five times for

2114
01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:25.840
a thousand dollars Bam bam baby ban bam, two hundred pop.

2115
01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:28.800
Because you couldn't drives fast as fast as you could,

2116
01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:33.279
you popped it. Okay, Okay, that's greed. Okay, because if

2117
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:35.439
it wasn't about greed, you're just taking two hundred Know

2118
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:37.840
when you spend it, you're going back because.

2119
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:39.600
You know the card was off. You gotta get it

2120
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:42.239
before the car turns off again. I ain't greed, that's

2121
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:43.760
just being we go ahead and get this ship before

2122
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:45.359
they turned it off again, and then I'm stucking.

2123
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.119
You know what I'm saying. That's what that was about.

2124
01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:51.439
That's like, that's like I'm not many times though, five times, Yeah,

2125
01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:53.119
because you only get two hundred out of the time.

2126
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:57.439
How many different banks more than I could count? Many?

2127
01:36:57.840 --> 01:36:59.880
Man, we see, like I said, a lot of them

2128
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:01.560
because I'm in When y'all asked me, you said, did

2129
01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:04.279
I ever use it at Georgia? I never took money

2130
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:06.560
out of the thing trying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2131
01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:08.520
I meant, I thought about it. I was like, why

2132
01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:10.119
the fuck did he say that? But I remember I

2133
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:11.920
never took money out of it, But yeah, I was.

2134
01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.399
I took I took the gas. Why we asked you

2135
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:16.880
which one to see if you're gonna try and lie

2136
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:18.800
to this or not. But I never took money out

2137
01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:20.600
of it though, That's what That's what I thought. You meant, like,

2138
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:22.279
did you use it at Georgia? Did you ever take

2139
01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:23.520
money out of the ship at Georgia.

2140
01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:25.039
I ain't gonna bullshit. So I want to know if

2141
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:26.920
you got money in Georgia. Michael hod To asked you,

2142
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.600
did you get money from the car You're in Georgia.

2143
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:31.119
You gotta feel I'm coming from that. I don't know

2144
01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:33.039
what's going on right now. Man. Why know, you're gonna

2145
01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:34.640
get as rubles as you can to find out what

2146
01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:37.760
situation you're in. And see, that's what I'm saying. We're

2147
01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:40.479
just confront shit. I mean, I know in the world

2148
01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:43.359
of shit. But it's like, man, I'm in a lot

2149
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.840
of ship that I shouldn't be. Okay, Yeah, you know,

2150
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:48.119
I know I didn't. I fucked up, you know what

2151
01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:48.560
I'm saying.

2152
01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:50.920
But at the time, like you said, you said, the

2153
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:53.159
ship was close and the shit fucked up because of

2154
01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:55.159
them dumb at them people, stupidity.

2155
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:56.239
Man, you know what I'm saying.

2156
01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:58.680
First of all, I would have killed rop fucking Bidy.

2157
01:37:58.680 --> 01:37:58.760
Man.

2158
01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:01.039
You could have got all that money without killing anybody.

2159
01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:03.199
You know what I'm saying. It wasn't a thirty of them.

2160
01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:03.840
Cool.

2161
01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:06.720
You ain't even got to scam him. Man. Oh, And

2162
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:08.800
I'd have got all that money without killing nobody.

2163
01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:09.000
Man.

2164
01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:10.720
She was the easiest.

2165
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:15.439
Fuck you ain't got to scam no person like that. Yeah,

2166
01:38:17.239 --> 01:38:19.840
that's it's still fuck man for you.

2167
01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:21.840
You you start writing and we'll come see you in

2168
01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:23.920
a week or so. Now what I'm saying, this is

2169
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:27.039
what I do. Like you said, do whatever you can.

2170
01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:29.920
But I'm supposed to call my grandma tomorrow, not tomorrow

2171
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:33.119
one on. Yeah, I'm calling the Thursday.

2172
01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:35.279
I gonna call her. I'm gonna tell her might look

2173
01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:36.279
I just take because I told her.

2174
01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:38.000
I was like, look, I wrote him, I'm gonna talk

2175
01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:40.000
to him because you know, coming back, I was like,

2176
01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:41.000
why he's talking the police?

2177
01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:43.560
Ool man? Look at you. I got that you ain't

2178
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:45.680
helping me. I mean, work with me, bro, you know

2179
01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:46.920
what I was saying. I'm trying to do something like

2180
01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:50.079
it show. So anyway, Damn, I'm gonna call her. I'm like, look,

2181
01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:51.039
you need to come down here.

2182
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:51.720
You know what I'm saying.

2183
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.359
And I guess I'm gona talk to her.

2184
01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:56.159
And I was like, what's your grandma gonna do to

2185
01:38:56.199 --> 01:38:58.079
try to get those shepherd what is she willing to do?

2186
01:38:58.119 --> 01:38:59.560
By I spent sell her house two.

2187
01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:03.520
Hundred and fifty, telling her house an they ain't broke.

2188
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:04.079
We're good at that.

2189
01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:04.840
Man.

2190
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:07.640
My grandfather went over to Egypt and Alexandria and shit

2191
01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:09.840
is opposed in all that nine to eleven shit, Alexandria

2192
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:10.960
walked to naval ships.

2193
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:12.760
That fucker was making damnary million a.

2194
01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:14.159
Year, but he had to stay over there three hundred

2195
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.199
and forty eight days for it to be tax exemper

2196
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:16.520
some shit.

2197
01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:18.680
The fuckers got paid. Now, they got paid the ship

2198
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:20.880
for the day. In the past forty years, since two

2199
01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:22.000
thousand and one, they got paid.

2200
01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:25.239
You've got a very good attorney, no, Richard, No.

2201
01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:26.760
I said, I want to be cold counsel.

2202
01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:29.159
But at the same time, okay, I'm in here for

2203
01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:31.840
capital murder charge. Spent eight months. I don't have one

2204
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:33.399
piece of paper. You ain't been to sea.

2205
01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:35.960
I've seen y'all. I've seen my lawyer. Man. Come on,

2206
01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:39.680
we're friendly people, but you see what i'ming. You understand

2207
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:42.640
what I'm getting at though, Okay, no doubt they did.

2208
01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:45.279
Richard's background checked. Richard good as a motherfucker. You know

2209
01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:48.319
what I'm saying. But at the same time, come on, man,

2210
01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:50.239
I've seen y'all more than i've seen my lawyer.

2211
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:50.479
Man.

2212
01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:53.199
Ooh, come see me all be in there next week

2213
01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:55.359
to see. Man, I ain't seen yet where we're at. Man,

2214
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:57.359
just give me a copy of song. You know what

2215
01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.640
I'm saying. Let me see what's going on. Man, All

2216
01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:02.399
I got is an indictment. Does anybody get up the

2217
01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:03.520
computer we gave you that?

2218
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:06.760
I think somebody mailed it that the somebody mailed at

2219
01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:11.920
the South Carolina and Kenny, Yeah, wait did But like

2220
01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.600
I said, I'm all right, all right everything I need

2221
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:15.800
to Write'm gonna talk to her Thursday.

2222
01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:18.359
I'mna tell her to come down here and should tell

2223
01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:19.680
her come talk to us. So she wants to come

2224
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.199
talk to us, I got no problem with that.

2225
01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:23.239
I can't get a visit on over the streets.

2226
01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:25.079
What's her name? I shouldn't even be a devils.

2227
01:40:25.159 --> 01:40:27.640
I shouldn't even be on the streets.

2228
01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:33.840
What dimples and nab it dimples Ida bet and nabin

2229
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:36.359
it I n A v I n E nab it.

2230
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:39.560
That's but no, I'm gonna talk to her and tell her.

2231
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:44.720
I'm like, man, I don't know what I got to do, but.

2232
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:45.199
I'm over this on.

2233
01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:48.439
But like we said, you know, I mean, we're we're

2234
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:50.439
interested in the whole truth. So We'll talk to the

2235
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:53.239
State of Tourney and tell them we've talked. Just tell them. Look,

2236
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:54.000
it's as simbil as this.

2237
01:40:54.039 --> 01:40:56.000
I'm willing to do whatever you know what I'm saying

2238
01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:58.279
it takes to get me at it. And I ain't

2239
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:00.079
gonna say I want to do whatever it take to

2240
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:01.119
get this murder ship going.

2241
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:01.359
Man.

2242
01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.600
I ain't killing nobody. Man, I'm wanting to help work

2243
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.239
he talk do anything. I ain't kill nobody. I'm not

2244
01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:09.039
saying the credit card you burn me for that.

2245
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:10.640
You know what I'm saying, I did that kidnapp you.

2246
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:13.359
I ain't killed out no people. I ain't touch no people.

2247
01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:15.920
I ain't who eh. Yeah, but you were with them

2248
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.000
one that did it. I ain't put who you're with,

2249
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:20.960
what that did? What is what is with him? Though?

2250
01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:22.479
What is that? I mean? You were in the car

2251
01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:26.119
follow on him. Okay, now, I mean that that pretty

2252
01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:29.159
much kind of sucks. But there you are, Okay, you

2253
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.560
follow on them and you're talking to them on the

2254
01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:34.800
next till while you're doing that, do you ever consider that?

2255
01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:39.159
So hold on, hold on the boost excuse me, but

2256
01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:43.119
you said that sell the boost phones. So but you

2257
01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:44.880
said next toils what you said on.

2258
01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:50.000
So is there like a specific time these people were

2259
01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:51.760
supposed to be killed and all this other ship? You

2260
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:53.880
tell me to take this out. This is what I'm saying.

2261
01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:59.399
What if I got am I together? If this is

2262
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:03.119
what I'm asking, What if I got proof? You know

2263
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:05.319
what I'm saying, not no story, not no fiction, proof

2264
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:08.000
that when these people were being killed, I wasn't there.

2265
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:09.800
If you have I'm telling you actual prink.

2266
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:12.039
I'm gonna tell you, if you have actual proof, then

2267
01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:14.479
you have the dumbest motherfucker I've ever met my life

2268
01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:16.439
to withhold that from us, to show that you were

2269
01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:18.600
somewhere else not hearing what I'm saying. Man, It's not

2270
01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:21.199
that simple, man, It is that simple. This is your

2271
01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:24.159
life in the balance, isn't it. Yeah, proof you're not there.

2272
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:26.239
I ain't sitting on that ship that would have come out.

2273
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:30.119
But I'm so this is this is where I was checked,

2274
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:32.000
that check, that person, that person.

2275
01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:34.199
Here's the phone numbers here find them.

2276
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:34.760
Hear me.

2277
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.560
That's simple. It's always that simple. No, it's not. Trust me, man,

2278
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:41.279
it's not. It might be in Florida, but trust me,

2279
01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:43.520
it's not what it hard I'm saying.

2280
01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:45.640
This is all I'm saying if I can get if

2281
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:47.079
I can get you proof, not like I said, not

2282
01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:49.359
no story, not no person coming in to say, oh yeah,

2283
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:49.800
he was with me.

2284
01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:52.960
I'm no bullshit. I'm talking about actual proof. When these

2285
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.359
puggles were supposed to being buried. Now I was here.

2286
01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:59.279
I wasn't there. That'll help you. I'm talking about life here.

2287
01:42:59.319 --> 01:42:59.840
Where's there?

2288
01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:04.039
Where were you if they Georgia getting buried and I

2289
01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:06.600
got proof at that time, I wasn't no wing there

2290
01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:07.079
that ship?

2291
01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:10.840
Where were you? Saying? Hey, look at that? You can't

2292
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:12.279
even tell me? So I mean, I think you're full

2293
01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:14.119
of shit. You know what I'm saying. I understand what

2294
01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:15.880
it looks like. But I'm just saying that will help me?

2295
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:16.079
Right?

2296
01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:18.920
How many? But we've we've danced this dance about a

2297
01:43:18.920 --> 01:43:21.279
half dozen times right now. And every time you tell

2298
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:23.039
me I got some I got some proof. What if

2299
01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:24.800
I have proof? You ain't never giving me nothing to

2300
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:26.760
show that she got that proof? Okay, I can bring

2301
01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:29.159
you prove not you give me nothing. My grandma comes

2302
01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:29.800
down there, can bring you.

2303
01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:32.560
Tell me your You're at Grandma Dimple's house.

2304
01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:35.000
At no time.

2305
01:43:35.039 --> 01:43:37.319
But you'll see though, I guarantee you though she'll bring

2306
01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:39.560
y'all proof, not no staving in no confession.

2307
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.760
She'll bring you. I look forward to seeing that. And

2308
01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:44.479
if she has proof, you need to encourage her to

2309
01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:46.399
come forward because the longer she.

2310
01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:49.520
Went on her from us, it's not her, it's the problem. Listen,

2311
01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:54.159
it ain't hurt you. I'm saying, listen, is you gotta understand?

2312
01:43:54.600 --> 01:44:00.840
Okay, Okay, look at it, y'all holies, right yea?

2313
01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:02.520
You notice you know how the streets is?

2314
01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:03.600
Okay.

2315
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:09.079
Alan knows me, Tiffany knows me. Bruce don't really fucking

2316
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:12.399
know me. If I said, if something off the wall

2317
01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:14.880
dude comes in and talks to Alan saying it's about me.

2318
01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:18.119
You no, No, I ain't gonna say that. If somebody comes

2319
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:19.600
in and talk to me and said it's about Alan,

2320
01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:20.840
but I don't know who the fuck that is, I'm

2321
01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:22.560
gona be looking at him like it's a cop.

2322
01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:22.840
Man.

2323
01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:24.760
That's the first anybody got even beat no cop. That's

2324
01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:26.520
the first thing that's gonna come to mind. But say

2325
01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:28.640
Alan's mama comes in there. I know her. You know

2326
01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:29.199
what I'm saying.

2327
01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:30.640
I'm gonna work with her. I'm gonna help you know

2328
01:44:30.680 --> 01:44:32.680
what I'm saying, Look, what can we talk about? You

2329
01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:33.279
know what I'm saying.

2330
01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.279
Shit like that. Believe me, if it was as simple

2331
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:37.279
ast oh, go over here. You know what I'm saying.

2332
01:44:37.359 --> 01:44:42.079
Yeah, you can get whatever you again, and you're right.

2333
01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:43.479
Like I said, from the first night.

2334
01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:46.600
I said, Man, I was there, Man, I was holding flashlight, man,

2335
01:44:47.359 --> 01:44:48.000
whatever else.

2336
01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:48.640
You know what I'm saying.

2337
01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:52.000
Yeah, in my mind, psychologically, I'm gonna be like this

2338
01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:53.079
motherfuckers nervous.

2339
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:55.279
He just told us the truth. He don't be fucked up.

2340
01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:57.000
You know what I'm saying. He vined. That's all he did.

2341
01:44:57.239 --> 01:44:59.039
You know what I'm saying. He finally got that shit

2342
01:44:59.079 --> 01:45:01.880
off his chest. That's what I would think too. Shit

2343
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:04.920
Like I said, you know what, you know what's happening

2344
01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:05.279
right now.

2345
01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:06.760
I don't deny that a lot of that shit I

2346
01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:08.800
told you at first name wasn't true because a.

2347
01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:11.920
Lot of it was. I'm gonna tell you they told

2348
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.680
us that first night, okay, about being there when all

2349
01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:17.159
this happened. I got no doubts about it. Okay, no

2350
01:45:17.279 --> 01:45:19.760
doubts at all, because you couldn't know at that time

2351
01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.960
what everybody else was telling us. Okay, you couldn't know

2352
01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:24.640
it you weren't sitting in the room with us when

2353
01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:26.920
we sat in there with Tiffaney. Okay, well, Thartners were

2354
01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:27.760
sitting down with Bruce.

2355
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.239
There's you no way for you to know what do

2356
01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:31.079
you mean what was going on during those interviews and

2357
01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:32.199
what they told us?

2358
01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:34.560
Right, excuse me? What do you mean? What would it

2359
01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:37.039
matter what they told Jode? Well, how can you just

2360
01:45:37.159 --> 01:45:39.359
make some shit up? Okay? How can you just make

2361
01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:41.439
it up? And it just happened to that. I give

2362
01:45:41.479 --> 01:45:43.239
it everything that that teel saying.

2363
01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:47.760
I could have known the exact story exactly, and yet hey,

2364
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:49.239
look the stories match.

2365
01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:51.840
Okay, when it doesn't take it down, Rocket Sign just

2366
01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:53.800
stalized that told us the trivial feemal.

2367
01:45:53.880 --> 01:45:55.880
They said, if people got killed a week before y'all

2368
01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:58.039
the rest of us, that gives me a whole week

2369
01:45:58.079 --> 01:45:58.760
to find out what.

2370
01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:00.560
Happened about the only thing that you told me that

2371
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:04.279
night that wasn't true it is your degree and abnormal psychology.

2372
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:08.159
Although that was a nice touch, I'm telling you, your storyteller,

2373
01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:11.760
you get at it, man, I just it ain't start telling.

2374
01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:13.560
You'd better go sit your ass back in the jail

2375
01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:16.760
than tell two detectives who's who's whose vow is to

2376
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:17.560
seek the truth?

2377
01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:20.000
I mean, you keep telling us you have this proof,

2378
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:21.960
but you won't give it to us. Guy, you prevent

2379
01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:24.439
me from doing my job. Hey, that's on you. Well

2380
01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:24.800
how does it?

2381
01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:26.399
How does it work?

2382
01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:29.560
You call your lawyer, you tell him what that proof

2383
01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:31.319
is and he'll tell you whether or not we need

2384
01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:34.159
to know. Tell him you're gonna call and tell us.

2385
01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:36.319
See what he says. I told my lawyer, I said, look,

2386
01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:37.880
I got proofed and can free me.

2387
01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:39.319
Not freeing, but I told him. I was like, look

2388
01:46:39.359 --> 01:46:40.840
I got it out of my and I got proof.

2389
01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:45.880
Man, Okay, I'm gonna be in there zee. I've seen y'all.

2390
01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:47.920
Boy, I've seen him, and give us what you've got

2391
01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:50.319
and we'll go verified. But I ain't told him nothing.

2392
01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:52.039
I said, Look, my grandma will come down here and

2393
01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:54.560
she will talk to you. They calls, HI will pay you.

2394
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:56.560
I'm gonna tell you ready to tell us the whole truth.

2395
01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:58.079
But if I call him and tell you, I'm again,

2396
01:46:58.239 --> 01:47:00.560
look this, this and that and the third, Okay, I'll

2397
01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:01.159
be in there to see.

2398
01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:03.560
Man. What wants to go?

2399
01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:05.640
Verify your alibi or check into it? Tell us what

2400
01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:07.439
it is. If not we're gonna hook you back and

2401
01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:08.840
change up takes back over to jail.

2402
01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:10.720
Obligated to check into it. If you say you have

2403
01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:12.880
an alibi, we're gonna go check. And what if it clears,

2404
01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:14.960
I get to go home. If it clears you, then

2405
01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:18.560
you would go home. Hold on, Hold on one. Look,

2406
01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:21.920
if you'd absolutely proved, beyond any doubt that you were

2407
01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:24.239
nowhere near there, had no involvement in the murder, if.

2408
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:26.760
You're if you're et dinner a Southeast Miami that week,

2409
01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:29.479
but I still, well, you'd be in trouble for the

2410
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:30.399
credit card stuff.

2411
01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:34.520
That don't go away. You're trying to tell me what

2412
01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:37.079
you got a clear proof that says you didn't murder anybody,

2413
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:40.079
weren't even around when these people were killed. Okay, well

2414
01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:42.239
you ain't showing it to me. You ain't give me

2415
01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:45.279
no proof, So pretty much h tough ship right now?

2416
01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:47.359
What about like you said, or to the fact, just

2417
01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:49.199
to the fact that after.

2418
01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:51.039
They were killed, I'm a video when he's fucking you

2419
01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:52.439
a credit card, that's fucked up.

2420
01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:55.479
If I'm out, if I'm a cop, Okay, these two

2421
01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:58.359
people are killed and this fuck is cleaning this bank account.

2422
01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:01.399
Out man out there he said, there was there when

2423
01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:05.800
he got kidnapped, brut out fling the truck said alive.

2424
01:48:05.720 --> 01:48:08.119
That that could be the definition of not having a conscience,

2425
01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:15.880
getting yours. That's all it was about. I mean ship

2426
01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:17.840
that they don't need it, right, But I said, I

2427
01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:19.039
ain't killing people.

2428
01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:22.600
Mm hmm, I said I wouldn't. I wouldn't even have

2429
01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:23.159
attended to.

2430
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:27.560
Kill it, wouldn't. You can you could think for another

2431
01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:29.279
couple of months and what kind of story about this?

2432
01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:32.960
But I know you were there, Okay, I didn't know that. Now, this,

2433
01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:35.680
this whole other game that you're playing is real.

2434
01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:37.760
Last bar time, he said, all I gotta all I

2435
01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:39.520
gotta do is write you and we can sit in

2436
01:48:39.560 --> 01:48:40.920
front of the state attorney as long as I give

2437
01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:41.600
him what he needs.

2438
01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:41.800
Right.

2439
01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:44.399
No, no, no, that's not what I said. I said, we

2440
01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:47.520
need the full young truth. Not not not that's what

2441
01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:50.079
he needs. No no, no, no, no no, that's not I

2442
01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:52.520
want to be very clear about this. I don't want

2443
01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.840
you to write on a piece of paper, but what

2444
01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:57.439
you think he would like to hear that might help

2445
01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:00.000
you out of your case. Hold the full truth of it.

2446
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.159
Everything you were there for that you saw, who did what,

2447
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:06.319
who didn't do? What? What roles everybody played in it?

2448
01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:08.720
Who got what? Stuff that was split up from them?

2449
01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:12.319
Okay that we recovered h the stuff that was all

2450
01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:13.920
taken from the house. Hey, that you guys dim it

2451
01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.119
up and the hoteld him all that stuff, you know,

2452
01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:18.720
the cheap hotel or even described to budget in when

2453
01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:20.720
y'all jumped all that stuff out in there and went

2454
01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:23.720
through again. I want full disclosure, Okay. I don't want

2455
01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:25.560
bits and pieces. I don't want the part that makes

2456
01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:29.039
you look good. Okay, I want the full truth. Okay,

2457
01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:31.119
that's what I want. That's what the state attorney will

2458
01:49:31.119 --> 01:49:33.439
insist on before he even considered it.

2459
01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:35.279
Okay, And I give him all that. I give him

2460
01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:36.960
exactly that. And like I said, stuff to hell him.

2461
01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:39.560
And like I said, if I can show the proof

2462
01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:41.199
that I wasn't there, then he'll work.

2463
01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:44.039
But he'll help me. He will do everything he can

2464
01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:46.960
to show if you weren't there, bullet and I'm I'll

2465
01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:49.880
get Thataddy riting. No, you come over here and tell you.

2466
01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:54.000
I can't make you a promise. Okay, he has to

2467
01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:55.560
come over here, now, that's just what you're saying. If

2468
01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:57.319
if he does that's between you and him.

2469
01:49:57.439 --> 01:49:59.039
And if he gets and like I said, he gets

2470
01:49:59.039 --> 01:49:59.520
the whole.

2471
01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:01.439
Truth, you would have to talk to him about how

2472
01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:02.039
he wants to hear.

2473
01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:03.680
And not only would he have to look at it,

2474
01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:06.720
would have to evaluate it and verify it if you

2475
01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:07.800
have a credibility issues.

2476
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:10.319
Like what I'm saying is I can't I can't tell

2477
01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:12.119
you what he's gonna do. Okay, what was That's not

2478
01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:13.960
all wrong? We aren't involved in that part of it.

2479
01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:17.520
Our role finders. He proves it. Okay, he proves it,

2480
01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:19.279
and then what like I said, there's up to you

2481
01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:21.680
and him. Then what we need to do. That's what

2482
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:23.479
I'm ready to do. Well, the first thing we need

2483
01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:26.439
to do is we need to stop bullshitting us on details. Okay,

2484
01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:28.560
I'd rather have call my grandma rather than have you

2485
01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:30.039
look me in the face and say, I don't really

2486
01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:31.439
want to talk about that right now because I need

2487
01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:33.359
to evaluate some things and to try to sell me

2488
01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:33.960
some bullshit.

2489
01:50:34.039 --> 01:50:35.720
I don't want to evaluate shit. That's what I'm trying

2490
01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:36.720
to say. Can you call my grandma?

2491
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:39.159
I give your phone him, we can call her. He's

2492
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:40.560
don't want to be down here. I would have come

2493
01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:44.039
down here. You're telling her Thursday, call her Thursday when

2494
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:47.359
you're supposed to and have her come down. Okay, Can

2495
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.239
y'all give me a visit? Winnn wait and arrange to

2496
01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:52.279
have you talk to her. Let's do it, Let's do it.

2497
01:50:52.800 --> 01:51:11.119
Let's get right, all right, sit tip for him.

2498
01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:21.840
I walk straight line, shackle change, Oh gesome girdie, it's

2499
01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:28.359
calling my name. There is no mercy, and it's been

2500
01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:37.000
a tentery juice as the Hillstream game wrangled the three.

2501
01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:46.960
I'm here, be by me or die inside these walls,

2502
01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:53.800
inside the wild, and't went more girls.

2503
01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:56.600
I know it's so

2504
01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:09.960
Very accola, very ang