July 8, 2026

50 Shades of Evil: Iowa - Cristhian Bahena Rivera

50 Shades of Evil: Iowa - Cristhian Bahena Rivera
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Season 9
Mollie Tibbetts, a 20-year-old University of Iowa student was home for the summer, working, running regularly, and spending time with family and her boyfriend when she disappeared on the evening of July 18, 2018, triggering a large search by family, volunteers, and law enforcement. The evidence led investigators to Cristhian Bahena Rivera, including surveillance video of his vehicle following Molly and his eventual statements to police. He led investigators to her body in a cornfield, and the autopsy ruled her death a homicide caused by multiple sharp force injuries.

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Welcome back to Bloody Angola. I'm your host Jim Chapman,

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and today I'm coming back at you with another Fifty

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Shades of Evil series episode. We're going to step into

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the quiet fields of rural Iowa for a story that

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shattered a small community and captured national headlines. It's going

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to be a case that asked very uncomfortable questions about

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fleeting encounters, hidden darkness, and justice in the heartland of

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the entire country. It centers around a killer by the

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name of Christian Rivera, a man whose paths crossed with

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that of a bright, promising young woman by the name

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of Molly Tibbotts with devastating consequence. So we're going to

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go back to July eighteenth of twenty eighteen. This takes

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place in Brooklyn, Iowa, and twenty year old Molly Tibbets

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was lacing up her running shoes. She kissed her boyfriend

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goodbye for what should have been just a routine jog,

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but Molly never would come home. What would follow was

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an exhaustive search that drew volunteers from all over the state,

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national media attention, and eventually a lead that would lead

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investigators to Christian Rivera, a twenty four year old farm

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worker originally from a small village in Guerrero, Mexico. Now,

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on the surface, this guy, he seemed kind of unremarkable.

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He was quiet, he was polite, just another laborer in

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Iowa's agricultural heartland. But beneath that the side lay a

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darkness that would forever change countless lives in this area.

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So in this episode, and I'm going to take you

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through every layer of that tragedy. I'm going to walk

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you through the high stakes trial, the courtroom battles, the

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dramatic verdict, and the sentencing. But before we dive in,

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just a quick note. This episode contains detailed discussions of

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violence and sensitive topics, so obviously listener discretion is advised.

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I'm going to approach this with the utmost respect for

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Molly Tibbetts, her family, and all of those affected. And

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if you are someone you know needs support, resources for

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victims and their loved ones are available through organizations like

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the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children or a

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local crisis center in your area. Please take advantage of that.

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Molly Tibbets was more than a headline. She was a daughter,

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a sister, a girlfriend, a friend. She was full of

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dreams and potential, and her story deserves to be told fully,

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not just the horror, but the life she lived in,

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the legacy that she left behind. Said. Let's go ahead,

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let's settle in. This is fifty Shades of Evil.

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Iowa.

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Christian Rivera was born on July eighteenth of nineteen ninety four. Coincidentally,

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he shared a birthday with the date of Molly Tibbett's

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disappearance many years later. He was born in a small

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village in the Mexican state of Guerrero. Now this was

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not a bustling city with bright lights and opportunity. It's

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a modest, rural village of just a few hundred people.

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It was nestled in a rugged region known more for

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its chin lunging economic conditions then for second chances in

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Life in Guerrero's countryside during the nineteen nineties and early

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two thousands was marked by limited resources. Families would often

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rely on substance farming, small scale agriculture, growing things right.

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Whatever work they could find, they would do. Education it

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was available, but it was inconsistent, and many young people

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would leave school early to help support their households now.

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While specific details about Rivera's immediate family remain limited, reports

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paint a picture of a typical working class upbringing in

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a tight knit but economically strained village. His early years

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were spent in an environment where survival and family bonds

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were pretty central to his upbringing, far removed from the

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American Midwest where his path would eventually lead. So from

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a young age, he navigated a world that was really

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shaped by very modest means. The region around this village

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it had long faced issues that were common to parts

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of rural Mexico. You had poverty, limited infrastructure, and the

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pool of migration, if you will, northward in search of

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a better life. Of course, I am no proponent of

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the legal immigration, but you know, it is the reality

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of Mexico for many of these resonents, not all. Some

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of them have horrible intent when they come into the

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United States, but there are some that want to come

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into the United States just for a better life. Now

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there's a legal way of doing that. We all know that,

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but that's the situation here. By as mid teens, Christian

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was apparently in this situation, like so many others, he

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made the journey north and around the age of seventeen,

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he cross legally into the United States, and that's no

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easy feat. Border crossings for many involved dangerous routes, smugglers

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an immense personal risk. Raevera allegedly arrived with the hopes

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of working and stability, eventually making his way into Iowa,

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which was a state known for its vast farmlands and

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its demand for agricultural labor. Now, once in Iowa he

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would settle in. He found employment on farms, tending crops,

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working with livestock, and maintaining operations in often very remote areas.

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And one notable employer was a farm near Brooklyn, Iowa,

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and he worked there starting around twenty fourteen. Now, he

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also lived in housing that was provided on the property,

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which that's common arrangements for farm hands. They actually live

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on the property. If you're someone that has ever watched Yellowstone,

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all those guys lived in like bunk houses on Yellowstone.

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And although that was a TV show, it was reality.

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That's typical whether you're working a ranch or whether you're

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working agricultural land like in this situation. So to facilitate employment,

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he would use the alias John Budd for paychecks and

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identification purposes. Obviously illegal and a fake name. That detail

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would later raise questions during the investigation. Now life as

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a young farm worker in rural Iowa, it was pretty routine.

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Revere was described by those who knew him during this

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time as quiet, respectful, and hard working. He would blend

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into the community without drawing much attention, as a matter

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of fact, little attention at all, and colleagues and neighbors

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recalled him as polite and unassugment, the kind of person

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you might would pass on a country road without a

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second thought, just totally blended in. He reportedly became a

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father during this time, and accounts from those close to

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him would suggest he took the responsibility seriously, at least

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on the surface. Yet even in these early American years,

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there were glimpses of kind of a complex demeanor underneath.

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Living and working under an assumed identity because you're undocumented,

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that I would imagine would carry its own stress. You're

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constantly looking over your back, you don't have a whole

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lot of opportunity for advancement, and you also have a

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fear of potential discovery. I would imagine when you're doing

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something like that, and I was farm country would offer

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steady work, but also isolation, long hours, and an environment

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far different from the one he left in Mexico.

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Now.

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Well, it's important here to separate fact from speculation. Raver's

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early life wasn't marked by widely reported red flags or

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dramatic incidents that screamed danger, this guy's a bad guy. Instead,

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it seemed as if this time in his life he

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was just a hard worker, and he seemed determined. But,

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as you're gonna discover as we go along, ordinary can

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sometimes mask the evil underneath. After spending hours diving into

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Now.

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Researchers and investigators would later piece together that Rivera had

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been in the US for several years. By the time

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of the events that I'm going to tell you about

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that took place in twenty eighteen, he had established a

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pattern of life centered around farm labor. He maintained a

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low profile. His family connections seem to have remained back

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in Mexico, though distance and circumstances would strain those relationships

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over time. But by all outward appearances into early adulthood,

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Christian Rivere was simply a hard working individual. Contributing to

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Iowa's economy. He would live on that property, he would

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make money, he would farm the land, and little did

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anyone around him know that this unassuming young man would

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carry some sort of capacity for an act that would

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absolutely rip through the fabric of the entire Iowa community

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and really beyond. So Ravera moves into his early twenty

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twenties and his routine would solidify. He worked at the

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farm for several years. He became a familiar face to

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the operations owners and the staff, the Lang family, which

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was a prominent Iowa family that was heavily involved in

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agriculture and politics, then the farm and Rivera, as i said,

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live free on that land, and that was kind of

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part of his compensation package. And there had been no

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major criminal history or brushes with the law during this time.

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He just appeared to keep his head down and do

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his job. But to me, this ordinariness, if you will,

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is what makes this case so disturbing. The idea that

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someone capable of the profound evil that you're going to

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learn about in just a minute can occupy the same

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space as the rest of us without raising any alarms

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is pretty disturbing. Of course, Hindsight twenty twenty Right. Investigators

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would later scrutinized every single detail of his life in Iowa.

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They looked for any missed signs or patterns, but in

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real time, during those young adult years, nothing dramatic surface.

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He was part of the invisible backbone of agriculture in Iowa,

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just unseen but essential. So by twenty eighteen, Rivera was

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in his mid twenties. Now he had spent nearly a

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decade in the US, much of it in Pawshik County.

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And I hope I'm pronouncing that right. He had a child,

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a job, a place to live, and a routine that

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appeared pretty stable. And we're gonna shift a bit. And

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I've talked enough about him, so I'm going to tell

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you about Molly Tibbetts. Now, Molly Tibbets was twenty years

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old in July twenty eighteen, very vibrant, ambitious, University of

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Iowa student, and she had a very bright future ahead

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of her. And she was born and raised in Brooklyn, Iowa.

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And she would embody the best of small town values

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kind of mixed with big dreams. And Molly she was

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studying psychology, and she was passionate about that subject.

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Man.

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She loved to help others, and she was deeply involved

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in her community. She was also in shape. She was

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an avid runner, She was a loving daughter, a sister,

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and she was in a committed relationship with her boyfriend Scott.

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You're talking about a girl that had everything going for

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her at this point in time. Friends would describe her

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as kind, funny, outgoing, and full of energy. She was

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the type of person who just lit up every room

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that she walked into. And her family roots they ran

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deep into Iowa. Her mother, Robin, was a dedicated teacher

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in the area, and the Tippetts family was very well

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known and very well respected. Molly had grown up surrounded

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by cornfields and she had close knit neighbors, but she

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really kind of wanted to break out of this small community.

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She knew that there was more out there for her,

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and that summer she was back home in Brooklyn. She

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was working a summer job, just enjoying time with loved

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ones before having to head back to classes in the fall.

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So we're going to go to the evening of July eighteenth,

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of twenty eighteen, and Molly was doing what she loved

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to do. She went for a run. She wanted to

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take a job. It was a warm summer night, somewhat peaceful,

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puts on her running gear and her bright shoes, and

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she heads out the door at around seven forty five pm.

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Now witnesses would later recall seeing her jogging along the

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east side of Brooklyn, Iowa. Earbuds in, moving with a

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fast paid of someone who was clearly in shape and

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ran a lot. And it should have been an ordinary

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evening workout for Molly, but sadly she would never return. Now,

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when Molly didn't show up for work the next day

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and her calls would go unanswered, her family knew that

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something was wrong because that was totally out of character

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for her. The search would start almost immediately. Volunteers would

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pour in from Brooklyn and surrounding communities. Law enforcement from

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surrounding counties would kick in and volunteer to help out

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and coordinate efforts. Posters would go up, Social media would

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light up with hashtag find Molly, and national news outlets

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they would start paying attention. You got drones, working dogs,

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hundreds of people scouring fields, roads, wooded areas. Tips would

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flood in, but days would turn into weeks with absolutely

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no sign of Molly. This wasn't just a missing person gaze.

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To the people of Iowa. It was personal. Remember, Molly

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was one of their own. She was a local girl

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with a big, promising future. The community would rally in

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a way that really would showcase the best of small

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town America. Farmers would leave their fields, neighbors organizing searches,

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strangers driving hours to look for her. Her family would

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speak publicly with grace and strength and plead for information

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while clinging to the hope that maybe she was still alive. Meanwhile,

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investigators would work methodically. They would get phone data, surveillance footage,

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witness statements, and they would slowly start to paint a picture.

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And a key breakthrough would come from some security video

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obtained from a residence home on the east side of Brooklyn, Iowa,

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and it would show a dark color Chevy Malibu following

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Molly as she ran, and that vehicle would become central

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to this case. So, after weeks of searching, on August

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twenty first of twenty eighteen, authorities wo zero in on

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none other than Christian Rivera. He would get confronted by

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investigators and eventually he would lead them to a remote

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cornfield about twelve miles southeast of Brooklyn, and there, hidden

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under cornstalks and leaves, lay Molly's body. Now only her

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bright running shoes were visible at first. And that's a

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heartbreaking detail, y'all. That has stayed with many people who

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have followed that case. The autopes he performed by the

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Iowa State Medical Examiner, it would determine the cause of

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death as multiple sharp force injuries. Obviously, her death is

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rule of homicide. Molly had been stabbed repeatedly, and the

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details are tough to hear. Rivera told police he saw

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Tibbets jogging while he was driving that black Chevy Malibu

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and quote thought she was hot. He said he drove

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past her three times, eventually parking his car behind her.

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He then got out of the vehicle and begins jogging

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alongside her. He said Tibbets was wearing headphones and listening

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to music and did not initially hear him approaching her

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from behind. He said at this point he tried to

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talk to her to get her attention, but she rejected

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those advances and told him to leave her alone. He

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said he continued to follow her and get close and

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Tibbets became aggressive, obviously in self defense, and turns towards

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him and yells at him to back off, and at

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one point tries to kind of slap him away, he said.

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Tibbets then pulls out her cell phone and told him

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she was going to call the police if he he

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did not leave her alone, and he told investigators that

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that threat to call police made him quote very angry.

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He said this anger caused him to lose control, and

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he admitted to striking or attacking her, noting to the

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officer that she had blood on her as a result

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of the immediate physical confrontation. And then he makes an

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interesting claim. He claims to have blacked out at that point.

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He said he doesn't remember anything else. He said he

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later disposes of her body in the cornfield, and he

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guided police to that location himself. His vehicle matched the

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one on surveillance footage, and evidence including DNA and other

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forensics would further lank him to the scene. And so

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with all this evidence, with this confession, he is obviously

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arrested and he faced a first degree murder charge, which

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is the most serious denile and Rivera was held without

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bond in the period between the arrest and the trial

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would stretch over nearly three years. It gets delayed by

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legal motions first and then the COVID nineteen pandemic would

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hit and all the frustrating delays with murder trials these

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days and Rivera's legal team during this time, they would

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raise issues around his interrogation, his immigration status, the admissibility

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of certain evidence, and at one point there were even

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debates on whether statements he made were voluntary and if

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proper procedures were followed. But courts in the end would

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largely side with the prosecution on all the key stuff

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and that would allow the bulk of the evidence to stand.

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It's so frustrating to me. I'm a sidebar for a second,

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just kind of bitch about this, but it's so frustrating

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to me. This kind led police to her body. Clearly

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he killed her, right, he admits to kill. He tells

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police everything he did. But the key the area is

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he can't use the coercion confession type defense because you

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knew where she was, knew you led police to her.

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But eventually, in May of twenty twenty one, the trial

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would start. This was in Scott County, Iowa, and it

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was a seven day trial. In prosecutors they would lay

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out a compelling case built on surveillance video and it

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would show Rivera's vehicle following Molly, and that lined up

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with his own statements to police, which they would also use.

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They would use forensic data and also the recovery of

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Molly Tibbetts, and they painted a picture of what an

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opportunistic attack on a vulnerable young woman out on the

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run looked like, which is exactly what this was. Now

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the defense, they would attempt to challenge all kinds of

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aspects of this Rivera's can fashion. They would suggest he

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was coerced and that his account of blacking out somehow

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would indicate diminished responsibility, which to me is absolutely crazy,

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basically saying, well, he blacked out, so he's not really

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responsible for what occurred after that. They argued the evidence

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didn't conclusively prove intent, which is required for first degree

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murder charges. However, the physical evidence, including the condition of

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Molly's body and ties to Rivera's vehicle and his statements,

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it would tell the real story. So on May eighth,

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twenty twenty one, after deliberating, the jury would return a

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unanimous verdict of guilty. Of first degree murder. The courtroom,

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of course, as you would expect, filled with emotion, as

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Molly's family and supporters reacted with a mix of relief

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and really continued sadness for the Tibbetts family. It was

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a hard one step toward justice after years of paying.

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You don't get closure, right, but you can get some

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sort of justice. Sentencing would follow on August thirtieth of

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twenty twenty one in Iowa, and it's important to keep

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in mind first degree murderer carries a mandatory sentence of

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life in prison there without the possibility of parole, and

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a judge by the name of Joel Yates was presiding

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over this sentencing hearing. And at these sentencing hearings, as

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you know, you have victim impact statements, and Molly's mother, Robin,

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as well as other family members, they would speak very

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powerfully about the profound effect that this murder had in

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their lives. They talked about the missed milestones, the daily grief,

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and the strength they would have to find in each

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other and their community to get through this, and their

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words would humanize the loss of this amazing young lady.

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And it was at that point that Judge Yates would

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address Rivera directly, and he was formally sentenced to life

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in prison without parole, as well as ordered to pay

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one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in restitution to Molly's estate,

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which I doubt he had that money, but there it is.

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Of course, post conviction appeals, as you would expect for

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life in prison trials, they would follow, You're going to

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exhaust all that. His defense team criticized everything from evidence

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handling and jury instructions. But in October of twenty twenty three,

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the Iowa Court of Appeals, they would uphold that conviction.

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They would affirm the proceedings were fair and the evidence

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was sufficient. Further appeals getting denied, and it would solidify

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that verdict. So he's out of appeals as far as

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I know at this time.

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Throughout the legal process, the Tibbets family would demonstrate some

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remarkable dignity. They would advocate not only for justice in

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Molly's case, but for broader awareness around missing persons and

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also runner safety, in particular because she loved to jog.

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Scholarships would get established in Molly's name, and her memory

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continues to this day to inspire acts of kindness and

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community support. The trial also sparked wider conversations nationally, especially

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as it relates to runner safety. So Christian Rivera's life

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as a freeman it ended on August thirty first of

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twenty twenty one. He starts serving his sentence of life

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without the possibility of parole, and he's currently incarcerated at

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what's done as animos of State Penitentiary, which is a

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maximum security facility in eastern Iowa. In this particular prison,

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it has thick walls, structure, routines, and it's where many

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of the state's most serious offenders served their time. The

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penitentiary was established in eighteen seventy two, and at that

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time it was known as Iowa State Penitentiary at Animosa,

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and it was originally intended as a reformatory for young offenders.

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So construction on this prison began in eighteen seventy and

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it officially opened in eighteen seventy three. Now, like many

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prisons of that era, it was designed with a focus

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on rehabilitation through labor, education and discipline, and the facility

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was built using limestone quarried locally, giving it kind of

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a distinctive fortress like appearance. That still characterizes part of

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that institution today. And in its early years, Animosa housed

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a mix of inmates, including those convicted of lesser crimes

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and youth offenders. It operated under the reformatory model, but

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over time its role evaulved. By the mid twentieth century,

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it became a maximum security prison, handling only the most

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serious offenders, and that facility would expand with additional housing units,

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admin buildings, and security infrastructure. Now, like many US prisons,

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it faces the challenges you see pretty much everywhere overcrowding riots.

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Now in my research, I even discovered that Anamosa once

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housed John Wayne Gacy, the infamous serial killer, for a

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short time on a sidomy charge before his later crimes

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in Illinois. And Animosa obviously a rough and dangerous prison.

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In March of twenty twenty one, it would gain national

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attention when two inmates, Michael Dutcher and Thomas Woodard, would

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use tools from prison workshop to murder a correctional officer

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and a nurse during a failed gape attempt. So not

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a fun place to be whether you're a prisoner or

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an officer in that facility. Now, as for rivera life

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without parole in Iowa. In that prison, as you would think,

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means exactly that no realistic path to release. He'll spend

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the rest of his days within the correction system. He's

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going to be subject to the strict rules and daily

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regimens of prison life typical days for inmates. At this level,

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you're looking at early wake ups, counted movements, assign work details,

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limited wreck meals, and then controlled environment and extensive security protocols.

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Contact with the outside world would be restricted to approve visits, mail,

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maybe an occasional phone call, and all of this monitored.

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Of course. Now it's important to mention that no amount

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of legal finality, if you will, can undo what happened

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on July eighteenth of twenty eighteen. Molly Tibbett's only twenty

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years old. She had dreams, relationships, a future filled with potential.

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Her family and friends still carry the weight of her

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absence every single day. In the years since her death,

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they turned grief into action. They established memorial scholarships, awareness efforts,

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and they've become resilient. And that resilience is perhaps the

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only shade of light in this entire story. In this

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case also serves as a reminder that evil doesn't always

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announce itself with warning signs. It can hide behind polite smiles,

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routine days, hard work, and rural communities often viewed as

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kind of safe havens. They're not immune. This tragedy, at

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its core, was about one individual's evil choices and the

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devastating impact those choices had on an innocent life. To

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Molly's family and friends, your strength has inspired me as

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I researched this one. To the investigators, prosecutors, jurors who

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sought the truth, thank you for doing that. And look,

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I got a surprise for you. I save this for

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the end because it's a little bit lengthy, so if

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you want to listen to it, I saved it so

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you can listen to it. If you don't shut the

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podcast off, now, that's fine. But it's a little surprised

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for everybody. And it is the full testimony of Christian

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Rivera who actually testified in his own defense on the

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stand in this trial of the murder of Moley Tibbets.

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And it's a little bit different because he didn't speak English,

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so he has the headphones on and as the prosecutor

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asked questions and he responds back. There is an interpreter

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there that responds and says in English what he is

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saying in Spanish. So I save this for the end.

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You're welcome to listen to it now. Well, if not,

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I'll see you next week much love, mm hmm.

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Defense may call sex witness.

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Defense calls Christian Behina Rivera.

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Can you stay away?

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A ready?

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Sir?

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Can I get you?

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Raise your right hand?

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Please?

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Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to

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give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing

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but the truth will help you?

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Gud I do?

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And mister, would you please head to that chair? Please

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you may proceed.

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Please state your full name, Christian, Now, sir, you have

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two last names, Is that right? Yes? The first last

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name is Bahina, Is that right?

470
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Yeah?

471
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.319
The second last name is Rivera.

472
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:04.759
Yes.

473
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.800
Now that's something we don't see a lot with with

474
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:16.480
white people. Is that something that Hispanic person often has

475
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.880
the Mexico.

476
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.800
It is the way that is used in Mexico.

477
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.559
Explain for the jury what your two last names come.

478
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:35.880
From the first one from my father on the second

479
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:36.719
one from my mother.

480
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.880
If I were to call you mister, what would be

481
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.599
the customary uh last name that I would I would

482
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:55.800
use Ena. All right, mister Behena. Where were you.

483
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.800
Born in Guerrero, Mexico.

484
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:08.400
Where is Guerrero Mexico, don't think Amico and apart.

485
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.079
In the south part of the country.

486
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.880
Who is in your family.

487
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:20.719
In sois nipapami, Mama minos.

488
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.679
My mom, my father, and two younger sisters.

489
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.480
So you're the oldest of the family. Is that right?

490
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:26.519
Is correct?

491
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:27.119
Correct?

492
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.599
Correct? Approximately? How many years apart are you and your

493
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.360
middle sister?

494
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:37.039
Four years?

495
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:46.760
What about your younger sister, she's thirteen thirteen years now?

496
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:48.719
Yes?

497
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.079
Do your mother and father work for a living?

498
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.519
Mamma Sama?

499
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.599
My mother is a housewife and my father works.

500
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:01.719
Where does your father work?

501
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:03.840
What is the camp?

502
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.840
He works as a labor on the fields?

503
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.639
Is that some job that he has had for some time.

504
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:14.039
The entire life?

505
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.880
So as long as you remember, he's worked out in

506
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:18.000
the fields, is that right?

507
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:20.960
Directum?

508
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:21.840
Yes?

509
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.039
What sort of jobs are available in your hometown?

510
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.599
Limpierre pastisal manac society?

511
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.719
Oh, well to cleaning the fields, any type of job

512
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.960
that is requires hand labor.

513
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.880
You're not paid in American dollars down in Mexico, is

514
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:48.280
that right?

515
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:49.440
No?

516
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:59.719
You're paid in pesos? Is that right? Yes? With pesos.

517
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.400
How much did your father make working.

518
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:05.800
Milk?

519
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.519
Fifteen hundred pesos each week.

520
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:15.719
And fifteen hundred pesos. I understand that the dollar fluctuates,

521
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.800
but approximately how many pesos are there in a dollar?

522
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:36.480
Around twenty, so that's about seventy five dollars per pay period?

523
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:37.000
Is that right?

524
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.800
Corect correct?

525
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:40.559
Correct?

526
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.679
Did you attend any schooling when you were in Mexico?

527
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:46.320
Yes?

528
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.559
Where did you attend school in my hometown?

529
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:59.079
Describe what the school looked liked? No?

530
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.719
Now equipara, so.

531
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:09.320
We're very little naso high tech, just only what was necessary?

532
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:15.440
How many rooms were in your school?

533
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.760
There is three?

534
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.719
Describe your home discribug.

535
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:22.400
Start.

536
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.000
Well, it is built out of a dirt and cement

537
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.199
and the roof is style.

538
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.039
Do you have any sort of a kitchen?

539
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.239
Only what is needed for cooking?

540
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:49.039
And what is that, sir?

541
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:52.400
Is too fine?

542
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:53.800
Well?

543
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.280
Refrigerator, stove?

544
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:58.840
What about living spaces?

545
00:38:59.159 --> 00:38:59.480
Uh?

546
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:06.039
Is there any sort of living room or television set?

547
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.039
On television?

548
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.039
Non s lamentes rectangulo los bartos.

549
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.119
No, it is only used at rectangle and then the

550
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.360
rooms are divided by curtains.

551
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:26.679
Now, sir, you went through Uh? You graduated from your

552
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:32.719
school is that rightrect Yes? How far do you go

553
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.400
to graduate from school in Mexico?

554
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.599
Well, you go around nine ten years? I interpret will

555
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.079
correct you got around nine to ten.

556
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.400
When you graduate. Is that something that is celebrated in

557
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:01.280
Mexico because in Mexico. Yes. Do you have a lot

558
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.800
of pictures of when you were in Mexico?

559
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:08.679
Not a lot.

560
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.360
The last picture that you have with your family is

561
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:32.079
that from when you graduated? Okay, sir, bring up on

562
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:42.199
your screen that is defendants exhibit F F F. Can

563
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:53.760
you see anything? Yes, describe what is in that picture?

564
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.840
I am with two of my cousins at the ending

565
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:58.639
of my schooling.

566
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:03.079
Now I ask counsel to bring up defendants exhibit G

567
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:10.599
G G or excuse me, excuse me, L L L.

568
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.000
What is shown in that picture?

569
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:18.880
Me?

570
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.760
Well, me, my parents and my sister, your honor.

571
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:28.920
At this time I would offer defendants exhibit F F F.

572
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.079
In L L L.

573
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:34.880
Mister Brown, and it's our only objection is irrelevance.

574
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.719
Injections overruled At this time, defendants Exhibits F F F

575
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.440
and L L L are admitted.

576
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.800
I'd moved to publish your honor.

577
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:51.840
Granted.

578
00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:02.760
Now, sir, defendants exhibit F F F What is this show?

579
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:06.400
You pimos me.

580
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:07.280
And my cousins.

581
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:09.760
You're dressed nicely, is that right?

582
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:12.239
Actor?

583
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:19.880
You can say that which one are you? They want

584
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:20.400
in the middle?

585
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.400
And what is this portray? Sir?

586
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:29.639
Yester photography COLA Just.

587
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.880
A picture with my cousins when I finished my school year.

588
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.639
Now I'm going to ask counsel to pull up a

589
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:47.599
defendants exhibit L L L. What is this SHOWMANA?

590
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.079
Well, the same day, but with my parents and my sister.

591
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.599
Now, Sir, at some point in time, you decided to

592
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:01.880
come to the United States? Is that right? Yes? Yes?

593
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.800
When was it that you decided to come to the

594
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:10.559
United States?

595
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.280
When I had just turned seventeen years old?

596
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:18.960
Now you were aware that your father had brothers that

597
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.639
lived in the United States? Is that right?

598
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:24.400
Yes?

599
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.480
And was it your understanding that they all lived close

600
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.280
in proximity to each other?

601
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:33.719
Yes?

602
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.599
At some point in time did you make the decision

603
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.960
to come to the United States?

604
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:42.079
Yes?

605
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:49.000
How does one get here crossing the border?

606
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.480
Do you have to hire someone to help you?

607
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:54.400
Yes?

608
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.199
What is that called.

609
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.280
A coyote?

610
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.079
Let's talk about how you got to the United States.

611
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.519
You first went to meet with the coyote. Is that right?

612
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:16.599
Yes?

613
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:17.800
And where was that.

614
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.599
At the border with Texas.

615
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.440
When you got there? Were you able to find this

616
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:40.840
person persona yes? And then where did you go.

617
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:39.960
Then to cross the river?

618
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:42.360
How did you cross the river.

619
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.760
Lunching on an inflatable raft?

620
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.159
How many people were with you?

621
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:55.400
Nine or ten?

622
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:03.480
Once you crossed the river? What did you do next?

623
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:09.400
Where? If I okay? Los?

624
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:12.480
Well, there were many steps, but what I remember is

625
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:17.440
we walk around the points of the checkpoints at the.

626
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.320
Border, So you walk around where border control is. Is

627
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.880
that right.

628
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:26.599
Correctly?

629
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:28.039
Yes?

630
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:31.440
And the next thing that you did is what.

631
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:35.760
Arrived to Houston.

632
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.480
When you arrived to Houston, did you go anywhere.

633
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:42.199
At a hotel?

634
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.400
At the hotel did you stay with anyone else?

635
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.639
With the people that I crossed with?

636
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.159
So all nine or ten people were in this hotel room?

637
00:45:59.440 --> 00:45:59.719
Yes?

638
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:01.199
Where did you sleep.

639
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:03.719
On the floor?

640
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.320
Next? What did you do? Sirstai?

641
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:12.519
We arrived at the state of Iowa.

642
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:15.280
Did you get there by vehicle?

643
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:17.760
Yes?

644
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:24.880
Once you got there were did you meet your uncles?

645
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:25.920
Yes?

646
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:37.639
Where was that at in Iowa? Had you ever met

647
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:52.920
any of these people that are are your dad's brothers? Well?

648
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.280
I remember, well, I remember since I was very young,

649
00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:00.559
but since they came over here, I did so, So what.

650
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.800
You mean is that you think they've came to Mexico

651
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:10.199
some of them before? Is that right? Yes? But you

652
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:11.800
don't remember who and when?

653
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:14.519
No, I don't.

654
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.840
Once you meet with your your dad's brothers, are you

655
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.559
offered a place to stay?

656
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:26.280
Yes?

657
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:34.480
Where did you stay at.

658
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:32.679
With Louis Medina?

659
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.960
Who is Louis Medina?

660
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.320
He is the husband of one of my aunts.

661
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:48.280
Once you settle into Iowa, how long did it take

662
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:49.880
for you to find work?

663
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:53.840
Two days?

664
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.840
How were you able to find work so quickly?

665
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.239
One of my uncles find it for me.

666
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:09.000
Where did you start working at?

667
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.760
I am in.

668
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:17.960
Blastoone at a dairy at a town called Blurstone.

669
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.320
What did you do at the dairy?

670
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:23.800
O will milk cows?

671
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:29.480
When you worked there? Did they require any sort of

672
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:34.360
formal documents? Uh, to guarante to verify you're a United

673
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:43.239
States citizen? Now? How were you paid with chicks? And

674
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:48.400
so they were written out to your name? Christian Behina Rivera? Yes?

675
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:55.360
What did you do at the dairy.

676
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:55.679
The milkhows?

677
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:57.880
How long did you work there?

678
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.239
Oniescy media around? Do you want a half years?

679
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:05.559
Once.

680
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.280
Uh. At some point in time, did you decide to

681
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:17.280
change employment? Yes, and specifically you went to Yarib Farms.

682
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:17.840
Is that right?

683
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:20.119
Yes?

684
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:27.960
How did you find the job at Yarb Farms?

685
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.000
I found out that they were hiring people.

686
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.840
Did you talk with them?

687
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:34.519
See?

688
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:35.119
Yes?

689
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:38.679
Was it a better paying job?

690
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:41.760
Yes?

691
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.639
What were you paid at yar Ab Farms?

692
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.840
Twelve dollars? Twelve dollars with sixty cents.

693
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:58.320
And that's per hour?

694
00:49:59.559 --> 00:49:59.719
What?

695
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:00.679
See?

696
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:01.800
Yes?

697
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.760
So you worked a lot, is that right, sir?

698
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:06.760
Yes?

699
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.079
See yeah.

700
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.840
There's been some testimony that you worked twelve hours a

701
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.960
day when you worked, Is that correct?

702
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.960
Yes? Yes, I will know the math some days more.

703
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.599
And there's been testimony that you worked twelve out of

704
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.599
fourteen days. Is that right?

705
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:25.320
Yes?

706
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.360
Yes, So at the very least you would work twelve

707
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.960
of the fourteen days twelve hours a day? Is that right?

708
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:34.480
Yes?

709
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:35.599
Yes?

710
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.480
On average? How much money would you bring home every

711
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:40.079
two weeks?

712
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:40.320
Oh?

713
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:41.039
Yeah, I s gess.

714
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.719
I kind of can say.

715
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:48.239
Between one thousand, five hundred and one thousand, six hundred dollars?

716
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:54.159
Now, sir? Did Yarb Farms require you to have notification

717
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.760
or official documents?

718
00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:58.559
Honest?

719
00:50:58.719 --> 00:50:58.920
Sie?

720
00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.559
Yes?

721
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.920
And did they require that right off hand?

722
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.599
Yes, but if you don't have them, they'll give you

723
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:13.280
time to get some.

724
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.519
So you started right away, is that right?

725
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:19.000
Yes?

726
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.199
When you started right away? How were you paid.

727
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:25.400
Cash?

728
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:28.000
So they paid you cash until you were able to

729
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.159
provide official documents, is that right?

730
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:32.320
Yes?

731
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.679
When you first introduced them yourself to them? What did

732
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:36.000
you say?

733
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.800
Your name was Christian Behina Rivero.

734
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:45.800
Now after you submitted documents you had a new name.

735
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:46.440
Is that right?

736
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:48.559
Yes?

737
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:49.599
What was that.

738
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:52.960
John Bud?

739
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.800
Now when you worked for Yrby Farms, did they regularly

740
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:08.320
refer to you as uestennther basis sometimes? Now, sir? It's

741
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:14.159
customary for the oldest male to take care of his family,

742
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:14.880
is that right?

743
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:18.760
Yes? Normally?

744
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.960
Did you provide any assistance to your family in Mexico?

745
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.199
See?

746
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:26.840
Yes?

747
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.440
How much money would you send your family?

748
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:31.280
Uh?

749
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.920
In how often you can't keep frequence here?

750
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:42.719
Sit spots around seven or eight hundred dollars per month?

751
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:52.320
How do you get that money to Mexico.

752
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:51.320
Through the Mexican stores?

753
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.599
Would it be fair to say that there's a lot

754
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:01.679
of Hispanics in this country that provides had assistance to

755
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.840
their families down in Mexico?

756
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:07.480
Most of them.

757
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:12.639
So it's not uncommon for our Hispanic population to go

758
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.880
to the Mexican school store and send money home. Is

759
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:16.320
that right?

760
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:19.599
Correct?

761
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:24.000
So similar to you having two last names more often

762
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:29.039
than that, that's what our Hispanic population does. Is that right?

763
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:30.719
Yes?

764
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:31.440
Yes?

765
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.519
Now, at some point in time you met a woman

766
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.840
that testified yesterday?

767
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.199
Yes?

768
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:46.960
How old were you when you met Iris Gamboa nineteen?

769
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.880
She was still in high school? Is that right?

770
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:51.719
Yes?

771
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:52.760
Yes?

772
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.559
Where were you at that you met her?

773
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.800
At a fifteen year old birthday party?

774
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.920
And a birthday party it's called or it's called a

775
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.360
king sennira? Is that right?

776
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:10.199
Yes?

777
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:11.159
What does that mean?

778
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:12.840
Yes?

779
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:25.760
In nah Nina and Mexican belief is when a girl

780
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:28.079
goes from being a girl to.

781
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:32.000
A woman, So a king signira is something that is

782
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:38.760
often uh celebrated amongst females approaching adulthood. Is that right?

783
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:41.000
Yes?

784
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:48.039
Yes, When you went to this party, what else describe?

785
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.440
Was it mostly Hispanics or were there white people at

786
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:56.000
this party?

787
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:57.159
Mexican?

788
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:02.280
And sir, you don't have any I guess it's not

789
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.760
that you dislike white people. Would that be fair to say?

790
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:05.960
Correct?

791
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:07.599
Correct?

792
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.239
But you also in this country have routinely spent time

793
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.400
with other Hispanics? Is that correct?

794
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:18.679
Yes?

795
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.199
Yes, Now Brooklyn it it has a fair amount of

796
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.840
white population. You'd agree with me on that mostly, And

797
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.480
so would you come across white people and your day

798
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:39.599
to day experiences see yes, but routinely when you're you're

799
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.679
spending time with uh, when you're socializing, is it with

800
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.000
other Hispanics?

801
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:47.119
Yes?

802
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:51.000
What us language is used?

803
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.000
Spanish?

804
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.440
So with Iris, you guys hit it off pretty quickly.

805
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:00.239
See yes.

806
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.480
Did you become boyfriend and girlfriend fairly quickly?

807
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:08.159
What?

808
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:08.519
Surely?

809
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:08.679
Yes?

810
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.159
Eight days after meeting?

811
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.320
How long were you in a relationship with Iris Gamboa?

812
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:17.159
Four years?

813
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.320
At some point in time did she become pregnant with

814
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:21.880
the child?

815
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.039
Well?

816
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.880
I this was the most assume.

817
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.199
One year after starting our relationship.

818
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.880
Did you to eventually move in together?

819
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:35.760
Yes?

820
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.760
And was that at the residence at Yariby Farms that

821
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:49.000
has been talked about. Yes, at a certain point it

822
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:54.880
was decided for you and Iris to separate. Is that right? Yes,

823
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.280
she moved to a different residence. Is that right?

824
00:56:59.719 --> 00:56:59.920
Yes?

825
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:04.960
Did you help her move? And since then have you

826
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:09.639
agreed on a custodial and support relationship with Iris?

827
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:12.760
Yes?

828
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.320
What she described yesterday. Is that what you guys have

829
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:27.960
been doing now, sir? Other than for this offense, have

830
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:36.360
you ever been in jail or in custody ever had

831
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:41.639
any law enforcement contact other than what's been described with

832
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:48.960
Deputy Kivy and then with law enforcement when you were arrested. No,

833
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:56.960
you're here illegally, is that right? Are you careful to

834
00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:59.760
avoid contact with law enforcement?

835
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:02.960
Very careful?

836
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:06.039
Do you try not to drive around often?

837
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:11.760
Only when it's necessary?

838
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.519
Do you take back roads when you're able to those caminos?

839
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:19.280
Said pinum cut.

840
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.360
I see, yes, sir.

841
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:28.519
When you talked to law enforcement when they brought you

842
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:33.320
in from the dairy farm, approximately what time did you

843
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:38.360
go to the Sheriff's office.

844
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.199
Between two and three in the afternoon?

845
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.760
What time did you go to work that day?

846
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:50.280
So it was gonna clarify qu three media four in

847
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:50.719
the morning.

848
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.599
Do you remember when law enforcement showed up at Yaribe Farms?

849
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:58.599
Yes?

850
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.599
And what do you remember?

851
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:16.679
I start, I was working and my boss came to

852
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.800
the area where I was and he told me that

853
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.920
that we were needed in the office and there was

854
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:22.559
probably going to be troubles for me.

855
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:26.719
What did you think those troubles were?

856
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:27.440
Say?

857
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:27.679
This was.

858
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:31.239
At that time I didn't know.

859
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:33.719
Uh, do you know what a raid is?

860
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:37.960
Pando?

861
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.840
When immigration comes.

862
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.880
And it's Have you heard of immigration coming and kind

863
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:51.239
of rounding up illegal Hispanics?

864
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:52.440
Yes?

865
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.880
Were you afraid that that was what was going to

866
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:55.719
happen here.

867
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.039
For a moment?

868
00:59:59.159 --> 00:59:59.360
Yes?

869
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.559
Now, at some point in time, you agreed to go

870
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.280
to the sheriff's office. Is that right?

871
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:06.679
Yes?

872
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:14.480
And you were interrogated for eleven plus hours? Is that right? Yes?

873
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:15.760
Correct?

874
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:22.039
Did you tell law enforcement the truth that night? Not

875
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.599
all Molly Tibbetts was in the trunk of your car?

876
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:26.679
Isn't that right?

877
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:28.440
Yes?

878
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:33.239
And you did not tell them what really happened? Isn't

879
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:33.719
that right?

880
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:37.599
Correct?

881
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:48.079
Let's talk about what happened that night on July eighteenth,

882
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:52.519
twenty and eighteen. You got home from work? Is that right?

883
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:55.119
Correct?

884
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:56.000
Correct?

885
01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:59.960
When you got home, is there anything that you play

886
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.400
and to prepare for the next day?

887
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:05.280
Yes?

888
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:06.440
What is that?

889
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.880
I had planned to clean out my car because the

890
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.119
next day I was planning on going out with a girl.

891
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.559
So you had a date lined up?

892
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:22.199
I didn't.

893
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:23.840
See.

894
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:24.440
Yes.

895
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:29.000
Did so you get home, do you shower?

896
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:31.079
No?

897
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:36.840
No?

898
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.440
I went to my uncle's house to ask him for

899
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:41.320
a vacuum cleaner to clean my car?

900
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:50.519
Where does your uncle live? When you did you go?

901
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.480
End up going to your uncles and speaking with him?

902
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:57.000
No, he wasn't at home.

903
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:00.400
Did you go ahead and take the vacuum that moved?

904
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:04.679
Correct?

905
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.880
That's something that wouldn't bother him from prior dealings. Is

906
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:08.320
that right?

907
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.079
No? Actually at the mountain?

908
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:18.320
No, And in fact I called him to tell him

909
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:19.079
that I had taken it.

910
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:21.719
So you get the vacuum and then where do you go.

911
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:24.519
To my house?

912
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:27.079
When you get to your house? What do you do?

913
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:28.440
Uh?

914
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.079
Really take it? Yes, it's.

915
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:40.800
I realized that the sun was still very strong. It

916
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.039
was too strong to clean my car, so I decided

917
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:44.039
to go in and take a shower.

918
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:49.320
Approximately what time did you take a shower at your home?

919
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:55.119
They say, you say media, about six six thirty.

920
01:02:56.119 --> 01:03:00.400
After you took a shower, What did you do, Sally?

921
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:02.119
I left the bathroom.

922
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.320
What did you see those Partsonas and the silent.

923
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.039
Two people in my living room?

924
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:13.960
Those two people in your living room? How were they dressed?

925
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:21.559
Cost with sweaters and their faces covered?

926
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.840
Describe the color of the clothing that they were wearing.

927
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:29.119
It was dark clothing.

928
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:37.400
Can you describe what the build of either of these people.

929
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:51.119
One of them was bigger and a little bit fatter,

930
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.199
and one of them was about my stature and a

931
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:55.639
little bit stronger burly.

932
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.920
Did those men have any sort of weapons?

933
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:00.280
Say?

934
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.639
Yes? What described which man had which weapon?

935
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:10.960
Matt Grande is.

936
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:17.119
The bigger one. I could see that he had a gun,

937
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.920
and the smaller one I could see that he had

938
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:19.440
a knife.

939
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:24.000
Described the gun?

940
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.199
I don't know a lot about guns. I can just

941
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:31.079
say that it was black.

942
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.840
What about the knife.

943
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:39.000
Mediana color?

944
01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:45.039
It was a medium sized knife, camouflage color.

945
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:48.920
What did these men say or do?

946
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.440
Some guz.

947
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.280
That I shouldn't do anything stupid and everything was going

948
01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:57.840
to be okay?

949
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:06.360
What happened next? We were there for a long while,

950
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:10.320
And did anything happen while you were there?

951
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:17.079
Just so Lamente, I used to.

952
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.039
Well, they were just there whispering, and we were there

953
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.559
for a long while at.

954
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:28.000
That point in time. Were they ever violent towards you

955
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:37.800
or aggressive towards you? No? Did you comply with all

956
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.079
of their instructions?

957
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:41.920
Yes?

958
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:49.159
Did you argue with them? Did anything else happen at

959
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:49.840
the residence?

960
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.239
No, not until we left the house.

961
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:58.920
Once you left the house. What happened?

962
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:04.719
So we got into our the car.

963
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.800
And when you get into the car, which man gets

964
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:13.559
in which seat?

965
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.800
The bigger one in the back seat and the other

966
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:21.079
one gets in the seat beside me.

967
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.960
So the the smaller one is the one with the knife?

968
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:25.519
Is that right?

969
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:27.760
Yes?

970
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:33.800
And then did you drive, Michael see? Yes, when you drove,

971
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:35.239
did they tell you where to go?

972
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:38.679
I don't I don't like that, don't come.

973
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:41.079
They just told me to drive straight.

974
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:46.039
Did they make any comments while you were driving?

975
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:56.840
Yes, one of them told the other one. One of

976
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.760
them said to the other one something about someone running.

977
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.679
Now, sir, you don't speak much English? Is that right?

978
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:05.760
Correct?

979
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.679
How were you able to tell what they were saying? No?

980
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.760
Endo, Well, I don't know how to speak a lot

981
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.920
of English, but I understand the basics.

982
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.960
And so you were able to understand that's what was said?

983
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:22.559
Is that right?

984
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:23.880
Connecticut?

985
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.239
I guess that's occasionally correct.

986
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:29.360
Once you get to Brooklyn, what happens?

987
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:40.000
So we just went into town. We went into town

988
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:41.440
by what you could say, it would be the back

989
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:42.119
way into town.

990
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.559
Is there a specific road that you came in on?

991
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:53.320
Yes?

992
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:55.920
Do you know what that road is?

993
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.480
I don't know. The name of the road.

994
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:09.800
Sir, I'm going to show you State's Exhibit five and

995
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.199
that's already in the record, so if we could publish

996
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:21.479
it now. Sir, you've seen this exhibit before, is that right?

997
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:23.199
Yes?

998
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.960
And there's a road that is described as three hundred

999
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.760
and eighty fifth Avenue on the screen. Is that right?

1000
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:31.600
Yes?

1001
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.119
Is that the road that you followed on your way

1002
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.800
into Brooklyn?

1003
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:38.880
Correct?

1004
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:45.000
When you followed that road, did you see anyone?

1005
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:46.600
Say?

1006
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:47.000
Yes?

1007
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:48.199
Who did you see.

1008
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:51.640
A person jogging?

1009
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:55.800
And sir, did you know that person at that time?

1010
01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:05.119
No ever met Molly Tibbets before? But now do you

1011
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:08.359
recognize or believe that person was Molly Tippett?

1012
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:10.840
That's right?

1013
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:15.239
When she was running? Was she running out of town?

1014
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:17.399
See?

1015
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:18.079
Yes?

1016
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:29.800
And you're driving into town? Is that correct? What happens next?

1017
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.600
We just continue driving this place?

1018
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.199
Maybe, And then they asked me to turn around.

1019
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:44.239
When you turned around, were you in town? What happened next?

1020
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:51.600
We uh went back out through the same way we

1021
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:52.039
came in.

1022
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:55.840
Tell me what happened next, sir?

1023
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.680
The we drove straight.

1024
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:08.760
We drove straight on the same route.

1025
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:15.399
Clarify. And then they asked me to turn turn.

1026
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:21.880
Back When you were in town. Describe these men and

1027
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:33.479
anything that they were doing in the vehicles.

1028
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:37.479
Just that when we were coming in town, they tried

1029
01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:42.560
to kneel down, crouch down as much as they could

1030
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:43.159
in the seats.

1031
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:52.720
You don't remember the exact route that you drove in Brooklyn?

1032
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:53.319
Is that right?

1033
01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:55.239
Correct?

1034
01:10:55.560 --> 01:11:00.760
But you've seen the surveillance camera from Logan Collins serving

1035
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.359
valance footage. Is that right?

1036
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:03.399
You can't.

1037
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:05.680
Correct?

1038
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:13.439
Do you think that likely was your vehicle? I? Oh, yes, Uh,

1039
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.119
it would looks like your vehicle. Would you agree with that?

1040
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:19.359
Yes?

1041
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.840
And you remember driving around in that area?

1042
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.199
It was not, but I.

1043
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.479
Don't remember if it was exactly that area, But that's

1044
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:33.600
my car.

1045
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:40.479
Now. How many times did you drive by Miss Tibbets.

1046
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:46.920
Around three or four?

1047
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.119
And that was that direction of these men?

1048
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:54.159
Is that right correct?

1049
01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:58.680
Let's talk about the last time that you drove by

1050
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:00.720
Miss tibbots stables?

1051
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:07.720
Uh? Love not ye?

1052
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:12.119
The last time that we met her, she was on

1053
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:13.520
her way back into town.

1054
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:21.399
And specifically, sir, she was running on three hundred and

1055
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:22.920
eighty fifth Street. Is that right?

1056
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:25.840
That's correct?

1057
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:36.640
May I approach, sir. I'm going to hand you this

1058
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:37.439
laser pointer.

1059
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:41.880
The staple.

1060
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:45.119
Sir, if you could point to the area that you

1061
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.319
met Ms Tibbets the last time.

1062
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:50.319
Nothing western.

1063
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:53.880
You cannot see it on the map.

1064
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:03.920
M alright, we're out of batteries here. If you if

1065
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:07.560
it gets up, sir, go ahead and get up and

1066
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:17.840
shot to the where Anna did you translate it?

1067
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:41.319
I interpret didn't hear any words, okay.

1068
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:35.159
And Christian, I'm not trying to trick you. I know

1069
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.600
you said that it's not on the map where you

1070
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:38.720
met her the last time.

1071
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.359
Is that right correct?

1072
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.960
Could you point to the direction of the area outside

1073
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:54.000
of the map where you saw her now, s sir,

1074
01:13:54.119 --> 01:14:26.079
I'm going to bring up another exhibit. Oh, thank you, Now, sir,

1075
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:31.359
it is the place where this woman was running, uh

1076
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:37.039
shown on this map. Can you point to the area

1077
01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:44.920
on the exhibit where this woman was was it Arona?

1078
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:57.079
And you can go ahead and sit down, sir. Now

1079
01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.199
you pointed to an area that was just before or

1080
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.680
the intersection of three hundred and eighty fifth Avenue and

1081
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:05.359
two hundredth Street. Is that right?

1082
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:08.319
Yes?

1083
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.600
So when you're driving on that road, are you driving

1084
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:21.960
towards town or away from town? When you see Miss Tibbets,

1085
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:26.279
is she driving or is she running towards town or

1086
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:33.239
away from town, towards the town, so you meet her

1087
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:39.399
head on with your vehicle. Is that right correct? Does

1088
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:45.199
she make any statements or or anything like that. No,

1089
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:52.239
she doesn't wave or anything like that. Now, what happens next?

1090
01:15:54.920 --> 01:16:00.359
Norse?

1091
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.359
Well, we continue forward and where you come to the

1092
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:10.199
intersection the cross then they asked me to turn back.

1093
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.000
So the intersection is three hundred and eighty fifth and

1094
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:19.439
two hundredth Street. Is that right? Yes? Did you do that?

1095
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:21.680
Yes?

1096
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.439
Once you did that, did you drive back towards town

1097
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:36.279
on three hundred and eighty fifth Avenue? Yes? What happened next?

1098
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:39.680
No? Metos.

1099
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:42.960
We drove for a little bit and then some meters

1100
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:45.039
forward they asked me to stop.

1101
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.840
Were you able to see the woman at that time?

1102
01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:51.600
No? No?

1103
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:55.359
Describe the terrain you.

1104
01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:58.760
Have a.

1105
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:03.720
Colmas.

1106
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:06.520
Well, it was like a straight road, but there were

1107
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:07.760
like some hills to it.

1108
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:13.279
This is let me stop there, take a recess at

1109
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:16.479
this time. Members of the jury, I want to remind

1110
01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:19.439
you of your admonition. Will take it ten minute recess.

1111
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:24.079
Please leave your notebooks where they are and you may

1112
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:27.760
leave at this time. And mister Bahama, you may step

1113
01:17:27.800 --> 01:18:02.399
down at this time the presence of the jury. Mister Bohema,

1114
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.720
the defendant, is present along with all the attorneys of record. Sir,

1115
01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:09.560
I want to remind you you're still under oath and

1116
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:12.279
with that mis freeze you may continue.

1117
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.920
So, sir, you're driving back on that road back into town.

1118
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:18.640
Is that right?

1119
01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:22.199
Yes?

1120
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.760
And at some point before you get back into town,

1121
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:33.600
were you directed to stop? Correct? Who told you to stop?

1122
01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.119
The person that was next to me?

1123
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.960
So the man in the front seat, is that right.

1124
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:48.199
Correct?

1125
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:52.439
Also the man with the knife? Yes?

1126
01:18:53.760 --> 01:19:01.720
What happened next one of the got out of the car,

1127
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:03.199
which one.

1128
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:07.399
The la parte, the one that was on the front.

1129
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:12.079
So the guy with the knife correct? Correct? What did

1130
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:12.680
he do.

1131
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:18.800
In a as in front?

1132
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:25.439
Well, he just started going towards a forward towards the

1133
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:26.640
town direction.

1134
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:29.840
How long was he gone?

1135
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:34.079
It is two.

1136
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:39.159
D around ten to twelve minutes.

1137
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:43.319
The guy in the back was he doing anything?

1138
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:49.319
No, he was only quiet in the back part.

1139
01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:57.439
Did he seem nervous.

1140
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:56.199
Tempo elsa.

1141
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:03.840
Well, with the time it started going by, he started

1142
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:05.560
kind of whispering in the back.

1143
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:08.000
Did you hear him say anything?

1144
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:11.239
But just.

1145
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:19.800
And then Africa Nico coman Jack, Well you could hear

1146
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:23.000
a lot of things, but I guess what I heard

1147
01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:24.439
him saying is, come on.

1148
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:29.720
Jack, now, sir, you've heard mister Freese and I at

1149
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:34.319
least insinuate that Dalton Jack could have been involved. And

1150
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:40.560
this you've heard the trial cracked. Yes, are you telling

1151
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:45.319
this jury that Dalton Jack was one of those people? No?

1152
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.199
Do you know who either of the people were that

1153
01:20:50.279 --> 01:21:03.279
were in that car with you? No? What happened next?

1154
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:09.920
La, Well, around like twelve minutes after that person comes

1155
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:12.199
back to the car.

1156
01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:15.199
And when they come back to the car, do they

1157
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:15.560
get in?

1158
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:19.800
He gets in?

1159
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:22.439
What happens next?

1160
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:25.760
They asked me to continue driving?

1161
01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.720
Did you continue to drive into town?

1162
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:32.680
Yes?

1163
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:38.840
Did you reach town? No? Were you directed to stop

1164
01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:40.720
at some point?

1165
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:41.760
Yes?

1166
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:47.319
Can you describe for the jury approximately how far you traveled?

1167
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:53.600
Not more than three hundred meters?

1168
01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:58.760
What were you directed to do? Once you drove three

1169
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:04.079
hundred meters, let's time in.

1170
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:07.520
Jarvis to stop and to hand them my keys.

1171
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:18.079
What happened next?

1172
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:20.800
Well, first the person that was in front got out

1173
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:24.039
of the car, and then the person who was behind.

1174
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.680
What happened next, Let's go check out.

1175
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:31.840
I've heard them opening the trunk.

1176
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:35.079
What happened next?

1177
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:41.319
Solamente, s.

1178
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:44.840
I've just heard a movement in the car and then

1179
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:47.119
that the trunk closed.

1180
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:54.039
Did the men get back in the vehicle?

1181
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:55.279
Yes?

1182
01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:02.960
What happened next? They asked me to turn around?

1183
01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:04.680
Did you do that?

1184
01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:06.960
Yes?

1185
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:14.239
What did they say next?

1186
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:19.000
They asked me to continue driving and to go towards

1187
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:20.159
the gravel road?

1188
01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:21.239
Did you do that?

1189
01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:23.520
Yes?

1190
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:24.880
What happened next?

1191
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:31.680
Solo? For those time and handle, I just.

1192
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:34.560
Remember to be driving a fast.

1193
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:39.800
At some point in time, did you stop?

1194
01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:41.079
No?

1195
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:46.039
No? Did so you continue to drive? Is that right?

1196
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:49.600
Yeah? For several miles?

1197
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:51.560
Right? And what happened next?

1198
01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:57.600
We're not on the I'm not.

1199
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.600
We got to an area, We got to a road

1200
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:07.720
that was paved, and they asked me to cross that.

1201
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:16.000
And then you continued down gravel road.

1202
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:16.880
Yes.

1203
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:19.840
Do you remember which direction you're going?

1204
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:29.600
I don't remember the address. Oh, I know that it

1205
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:30.479
was straight?

1206
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:33.359
So you continue driving? Is that right?

1207
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.760
Correct?

1208
01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:41.279
How long did you continue driving?

1209
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.079
Perhaps five to eight minutes?

1210
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:48.920
At some point in time did they direct you to

1211
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:51.960
Poland somewhere?

1212
01:24:54.079 --> 01:24:55.920
And alf Casablanca?

1213
01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.239
We arrived like in front of a white house.

1214
01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:20.920
Sir, I'm going to bring up states Exhibit twenty five.

1215
01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:43.840
You need to do that, sir. You've seen States Exhibit

1216
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:45.279
twenty five. Is that right?

1217
01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:47.520
Yes?

1218
01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:50.840
And you generally agree that this was the area that

1219
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:53.760
Molly Tibbet's body was found. Is that right?

1220
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:57.119
Yes?

1221
01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:00.600
When you mentioned a white house, it is that what

1222
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:06.880
you're talking about in State's Exhibit twenty five, correct, Now, sir,

1223
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.359
I'd ask you to get up and to point to

1224
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:13.279
the jury where it is that you were directed to turn.

1225
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:24.520
If you see it, tell me what happened next.

1226
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:27.359
Maybe you don't commit it to sata.

1227
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.760
They asked me there to go back.

1228
01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:33.920
So you turned in at the house and then you

1229
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:44.720
drove back. Is that right? Yes? Now, sir, I'm now

1230
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:48.479
showing you State's exhibit twenty eight, or excuse me, twenty six.

1231
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.680
This is the same area from a different direction, Is

1232
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:57.560
that right? Yes? When you came back, was there a

1233
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.760
point in time that you were told to turn?

1234
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:02.359
Yes?

1235
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:05.600
Where were you told to turn? If that's shown on

1236
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:11.039
State's Exhibit twenty six.

1237
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:13.560
And that Rakistan and myself at the entrance of the cornfield.

1238
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:16.760
If you could get up again and show the jury

1239
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:32.840
on State's exhibit twenty six, I'd appreciate it. Now, sir,

1240
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:37.960
State's Exhibit twenty seven. This shows the entrance of the

1241
01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:43.159
cornfield that you just pointed to. Is that right? Yes?

1242
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:50.319
Have you ever been to that location before? No? Did

1243
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:52.479
you understand really where you were?

1244
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:55.720
Understate?

1245
01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:56.760
Now?

1246
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:04.159
Once you pull in, what happens next?

1247
01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:07.199
So they only asked me to turn the car off.

1248
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:13.079
So and they start getting off the car.

1249
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:18.600
So they get out? Is that right? Yes? Did they

1250
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:22.079
take your keys?

1251
01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:25.479
Yes, they took my keys on my phone.

1252
01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:28.279
What happened next?

1253
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:31.760
Say?

1254
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:38.520
Before they leave? One of them tells me not to

1255
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:45.840
say anything about what had happened, that they knew Irish,

1256
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:51.079
and that they knew my daughter, that if I said something,

1257
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:54.520
they will take care of them.

1258
01:28:54.560 --> 01:29:00.239
After that, what happened.

1259
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:02.479
They told me used to wait a few minutes and

1260
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:02.960
to leave.

1261
01:29:06.319 --> 01:29:11.800
What happened next?

1262
01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:14.840
I got out of the car because I didn't have

1263
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:21.000
my keys. Well, obviously I knew there was something in

1264
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:21.479
the trunk.

1265
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:24.439
And why did you think there was something or why

1266
01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:26.079
did you know there was something in the trunk?

1267
01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:35.720
Yes, because previously I had felt when they had placed

1268
01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.199
something or put something in the trunk.

1269
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:42.119
Did you look in the trunk?

1270
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:44.399
Yes?

1271
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:45.600
What did you see.

1272
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:49.479
A body?

1273
01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:59.560
Was that the body of Molly Tibbets. Yes, at that

1274
01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:02.039
point time? Did it look like she was alive?

1275
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:13.319
Prince multiple Well, at the beginning, I saw like a

1276
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:16.560
little bit of movement, but then after there was no movement.

1277
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:21.680
Did she have injuries to her body?

1278
01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:23.279
I did not look.

1279
01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:26.720
What did you do next?

1280
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:30.439
As okay?

1281
01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:39.279
Well, I say, there are a couple of minutes thinking

1282
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:44.079
what to do, and then I just I decided to

1283
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:45.079
take the body out.

1284
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.600
Why didn't you call the police, sir?

1285
01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:52.720
Because I was scared?

1286
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:56.640
Why were you scared?

1287
01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:07.960
Because well, if I would have called the police is

1288
01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:11.319
something that it would have been seen good? It wouldn't

1289
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:11.800
have been right.

1290
01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:17.800
Did you have any reason to believe that Molly Tibbet's

1291
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:25.479
life could be saved? No? When you picked her up

1292
01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:30.000
from the trunk, describe her body.

1293
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:34.880
So it was very heavy.

1294
01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:41.520
What about any signs of life that you saw to

1295
01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:49.680
Molly Tibbets? None? How was she dressed.

1296
01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:55.239
With sports clothing?

1297
01:31:58.520 --> 01:31:59.640
What did you do next, Sir?

1298
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:01.800
Solo?

1299
01:32:07.279 --> 01:32:07.720
I just.

1300
01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:11.680
The way I could. I picked her up and then

1301
01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:13.079
I put her in the cornfield.

1302
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.920
Did you cover her with corn?

1303
01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:19.439
Yes?

1304
01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:20.800
Why did you do that?

1305
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:30.640
To be exposed expostal? Sol?

1306
01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:33.840
Because I didn't want to leave her well, I didn't

1307
01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:35.920
want her to be too exposed to the sun.

1308
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:42.880
When you left her. Was she clothed?

1309
01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:51.000
I left her exactly how she was in the trunk?

1310
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:55.399
And at that time do you recall her having any

1311
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:56.000
shorts on?

1312
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:00.720
Yes?

1313
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:09.319
What about her sports bra? Did it cover her chest?

1314
01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.600
Everything? She had everything on? There was only one shoe

1315
01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:14.239
that was off.

1316
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.880
What did you do after you laid her in the corn?

1317
01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:27.640
I tried. I tried to go home.

1318
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:33.479
Were you able to figure out how to get home? No?

1319
01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:38.840
How were you able to find your way home?

1320
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:44.119
I looked at my phone.

1321
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:50.319
And did you specifically use your phone to find directions?

1322
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:54.000
Yes?

1323
01:33:55.479 --> 01:34:02.199
Now, Molly Tibbett's phone, fit bit, it and her earbuds

1324
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.680
were left in your car? Is that right?

1325
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:09.960
Ah?

1326
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:12.880
Yeah, they were in the trunk at this along with

1327
01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:14.199
my phone and my keys.

1328
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:20.079
What did you do with Molly Tibbott's phone fitbit and

1329
01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:22.640
her headphones or her earbuds?

1330
01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:25.079
Does it?

1331
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:27.239
I left it on the side of the road.

1332
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:33.359
Now, sir, you didn't tell a soul about this for

1333
01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:39.840
over a month? Is that right? Correct? And if you

1334
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:43.359
weren't approached, you would have taken this night with you

1335
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:45.439
to the grave. Isn't that right?

1336
01:34:47.399 --> 01:34:47.760
Correct?

1337
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:48.800
Probably?

1338
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:50.079
Most probably?

1339
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:56.720
Why didn't you call the police or let investigators know

1340
01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:57.439
what happened?

1341
01:34:59.159 --> 01:34:59.920
Get me soon?

1342
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:08.199
Because I knew if I did it? Because I knew

1343
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.279
if I did it in any way, I was going

1344
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:10.960
to be involved.

1345
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:17.600
And specifically, were you afraid for your ex girlfriend and

1346
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:18.159
your daughter?

1347
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.560
Sustained and asked that the question be rephrased.

1348
01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:29.840
Please, Were there any other reasons that you did not

1349
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:43.640
call law enforcement? Yes? What were they?

1350
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.600
Because I remember that they said that if I will

1351
01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:49.359
say something, they were going to do something to uh,

1352
01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:52.479
my family, my ex girlfriend, my daughter.

1353
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:59.520
They used her name. Is that right correct? Do you

1354
01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:11.720
know Ulysses Felix? Yes? How do you know Ulysses Felix? Me? Me?

1355
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:15.920
It is my girlfriend's cossing.

1356
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.560
So it would be Iris's cousin. Is that right?

1357
01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:21.880
Yes?

1358
01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:26.960
Has he been to your home before?

1359
01:36:27.439 --> 01:36:27.720
Yes?

1360
01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:29.560
Has he spent the night before?

1361
01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:32.720
Yes?

1362
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:38.600
Now you're not alleging that Ulysses was in that car?

1363
01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:39.239
Is that right?

1364
01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:41.840
Correct?

1365
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:50.119
But Ulysses did spend time with your I guess Hispanic

1366
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:51.800
group of people. Is that right?

1367
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:54.880
Yes?

1368
01:36:55.279 --> 01:37:02.800
He would attend various functions, is that right? Yes? Did

1369
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:05.039
you know his parents?

1370
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:06.720
Yes?

1371
01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:11.800
How did you know them.

1372
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:13.039
We worked at the same place.

1373
01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:21.920
Now, Ulyss has also attended Brooklyn uh school? Is that right? Yes?

1374
01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:25.479
And unlike you did, he seem to have a fair

1375
01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:31.199
amount of white friends.

1376
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:32.000
Yes.

1377
01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:40.560
All right, sir, let's go through this interview. Uh. You

1378
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:45.960
were interrogated for over eleven hours? Is that right? Yes?

1379
01:37:47.399 --> 01:38:01.640
Describe how the interview progressed through those eleven hours.

1380
01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:04.800
Well, at the beginning, they were asking me common questions

1381
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:12.680
like where I was from? Uh, any type of clarified utina,

1382
01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.159
my routine and all that.

1383
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:23.800
Do you recall them telling you that they weren't with immigration. Yes,

1384
01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:27.239
And when they told you that, did you believe them?

1385
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:29.640
What a momento?

1386
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:36.239
For a period of time, did they continue to be

1387
01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:44.920
more confrontational with you the same? Tell me how the

1388
01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:46.119
interview progressed.

1389
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:55.600
Hum, Well, they started accusing me with things.

1390
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:03.560
What sorts of things did they accuse you with?

1391
01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:11.720
With a couple of pictures they had, they said that

1392
01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:19.039
they have found woman's hair in my trunk and that

1393
01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:23.880
they have found her phone or pointed my phone with

1394
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:24.840
her phone with.

1395
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:29.920
My so they suggested that they had phone activity that

1396
01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:33.359
tied your phone and Molly's phone together.

1397
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:37.840
Sustained, Please rephrase.

1398
01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:55.960
So please make the jury understand what you meant about

1399
01:39:55.960 --> 01:39:58.560
the evidence that they confronted you with your phone.

1400
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:01.640
Excuse you something, I don't understand that.

1401
01:40:09.399 --> 01:40:12.439
They had information that my telephone and Molly's telephone were

1402
01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:13.199
traveling together.

1403
01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:19.439
Did they make any other suggestions that they had specialized

1404
01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:24.680
technology with reference to your phone? No?

1405
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:26.399
No, no.

1406
01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:30.920
Did they ever suggest to you that what you were

1407
01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:34.439
saying was not true?

1408
01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:35.039
Yes?

1409
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:41.520
How often did they suggest? Sat?

1410
01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:42.520
Every?

1411
01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:43.560
Every so often?

1412
01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:50.960
Were you Did you ever believe that things would be

1413
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:53.920
better if you told them what they wanted to hear?

1414
01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:57.279
Yes?

1415
01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:06.119
Was that often? Did they ever use the phrase help yourself?

1416
01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:08.439
Yes?

1417
01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:11.359
And what did you take that to mean when they

1418
01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:12.399
used that phrase?

1419
01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:14.720
Plea?

1420
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.279
Well that if I helped them, if I told them

1421
01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:25.640
what they wanted to hear, that they would help me.

1422
01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:32.159
Did they confront you or did they tell you that often?

1423
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:39.720
At some point you said that you blacked out? Is

1424
01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:43.720
that right? Yes? Was that your idea?

1425
01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:47.159
No?

1426
01:41:47.159 --> 01:41:47.359
No?

1427
01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:48.720
They said it first?

1428
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:53.319
And specifically, was there a suggestion made that you might

1429
01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:58.199
be crazy, that.

1430
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.920
I've plant and it's time.

1431
01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:08.039
Something like that, something like that, Sometimes people can be

1432
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:09.800
sick and they can forget things.

1433
01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:13.680
Now, sir, did you intend to tell these men the

1434
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:15.680
truth about what really happened that night?

1435
01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:23.960
I say no, no, why not? Because in my mind

1436
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:24.399
I had my.

1437
01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:30.960
Daughter, So no matter what happened, you did not plan

1438
01:42:31.079 --> 01:42:39.000
to tell them what really happened. Right as this interrogation

1439
01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:44.279
went on. Tell me about your alertness.

1440
01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:48.000
Okay, this EXU say time that.

1441
01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:53.600
Because well I was already tired and I was very sleepy.

1442
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:59.560
You saw some videotape of you falling asleep during this

1443
01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:01.399
inner interrogation? Is that right?

1444
01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:03.199
See?

1445
01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:07.000
Yes? Were those the only times that you fell asleep

1446
01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:11.439
during the interrogation, not to.

1447
01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:14.279
Say much of the basis, I'm not sure, but there

1448
01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:15.159
were many times.

1449
01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:22.439
At some point in time the investigators asked you to

1450
01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:26.439
try to take them to Molly Tibbets. Is that right?

1451
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:29.119
Yes?

1452
01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:32.039
And you agree? Is that right?

1453
01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:33.279
Yes?

1454
01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:33.800
Yes?

1455
01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:38.399
Why did you agree to do that at that point

1456
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:38.840
in time?

1457
01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:48.079
Well, principally, Well, for one, because I was already very

1458
01:43:48.119 --> 01:44:04.560
tired and I wanted to stop. Yeah, ka, And most

1459
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:08.159
importantly because they told me to put myself in the

1460
01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:11.039
family's position and to think of her that if she

1461
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:18.159
was my daughter, what would I have done?

1462
01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:27.319
Okay, So you drive out, you don't drive, but you

1463
01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:34.199
ride out to the body. Is that right? Were you

1464
01:44:34.319 --> 01:44:41.600
able to provide assistance in finding Molly Tibbits? Did they

1465
01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:44.880
seem to have some idea already where she was?

1466
01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:48.600
I can't be sure about that.

1467
01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:55.039
Describe the car ride out there, but it's Jo Petticue.

1468
01:44:59.439 --> 01:44:59.640
Well.

1469
01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:01.520
I asked them to go to the highway that's on

1470
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:02.800
the way to my trailer.

1471
01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:04.960
Uh, and then the.

1472
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.640
Academy to have a point of well, to get oriented.

1473
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:11.880
Did they do that?

1474
01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:14.079
Yes?

1475
01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:18.439
And tell me about the trip then to the body?

1476
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:20.279
So did you hit him?

1477
01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:22.079
So?

1478
01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:24.359
I told him to drive straight and not to stop.

1479
01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:32.720
What happened next?

1480
01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.359
We didn't stop until we got to that white house

1481
01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:39.319
you can see in the photo.

1482
01:45:39.640 --> 01:45:41.560
When you got to the white house. What did you do?

1483
01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:50.840
Well, that's when I realized that that was more or

1484
01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:52.760
less the place, but that we had gone past it

1485
01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:53.239
a little bit.

1486
01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:56.920
So did you direct them to turn around?

1487
01:45:59.439 --> 01:45:59.840
Correct?

1488
01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:04.359
Were you able to assist them in finding the body?

1489
01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:07.479
Yes?

1490
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:11.720
Sir? How tall are you.

1491
01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:14.760
Five seven?

1492
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.640
How much do you weigh today or now?

1493
01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:26.479
The last time that I was weighed in the jail

1494
01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:28.199
was one hundred and forty eight pounds.

1495
01:46:29.039 --> 01:46:32.159
How much did you weigh when you were arrested for

1496
01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:33.680
the death of Molly.

1497
01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:37.680
Tippets one twenty five pounds.

1498
01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:44.159
No further questions, mister.

1499
01:46:43.960 --> 01:47:11.039
Brown, you may cross examine.

1500
01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:06.520
Mister Vhenna. You led officers to Molly Tibbitts's body. Is

1501
01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:09.319
that correct?

1502
01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:10.359
Yes?

1503
01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:18.640
You remember your interview with Officer Pamela Romero. Yes, you

1504
01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:25.399
recall it even here today. Is that true? Most of

1505
01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:28.119
the things you're not too You were not too tired

1506
01:47:28.159 --> 01:47:31.439
to remember what you and she talked about at the

1507
01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:32.760
Sheriff's office. Is that right?

1508
01:47:37.359 --> 01:47:37.479
Uh?

1509
01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:40.359
What could you repeat the question? You were not too

1510
01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:46.960
tired to remember what she you and Pamela Romero talked

1511
01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:53.680
about at the Sheriff's office. If I'm not too tired

1512
01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:55.600
now or at that time, at that time.

1513
01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:58.439
But I will not.

1514
01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:06.039
So not Yeah, well, there were some times that I

1515
01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:08.840
was tired. But obviously if someone's talking to you, to you,

1516
01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:11.000
you're going to be alert, all right, and you have

1517
01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:16.119
no issue. You were able to understand her questions correct

1518
01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:23.000
as you say. Yes, there was no language barrier between

1519
01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:24.319
the two of you.

1520
01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:29.920
Sels No, no, not none that I knew of.

1521
01:48:31.079 --> 01:48:34.319
Would you agree that you left the Sheriff's office with

1522
01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.119
Officer Romero and other officers at around four thirty am

1523
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:42.880
on July twenty eighth, twenty eighteen. Seen, I'm sorry, July

1524
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:45.520
I'm sorry, July eighteenth of twenty eighteen.

1525
01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:52.760
Almost.

1526
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:09.760
Let me let out, let me rephrase the question, if

1527
01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:17.119
I may I misspoke the date? Did you leave with

1528
01:49:17.319 --> 01:49:20.560
officers at four thirty am on August twenty first of

1529
01:49:20.640 --> 01:49:28.479
twenty eighteen, Yes, the Sheriff's office. Yes, and it was

1530
01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:34.680
your request to go to your residence in or near Brooklyn.

1531
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:36.600
Correct sick.

1532
01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:37.239
Yes.

1533
01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:40.800
Whenever you got to your residence near Brooklyn, you were

1534
01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:44.199
able to take them to the location where Molly Tibbets

1535
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.439
was found. Is that correct?

1536
01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:47.680
Yes?

1537
01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.159
Did you remain in the car while officers searched for

1538
01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:01.399
Molly Tibbets at the location you took them to.

1539
01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:02.720
Yes.

1540
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.920
At one point the officers came to the car to

1541
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:13.399
get you out correct. Correct, And you went back into

1542
01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:18.800
the corn field with the officers. Is that right to

1543
01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:22.359
the edge of the corn But there is an area

1544
01:50:22.399 --> 01:50:28.840
where you could walk where corn wasn't growing, correct, And

1545
01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:34.319
you took them to the edge of the corne Yes,

1546
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:41.199
that was some distance off the road. Is that correct? Yes?

1547
01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:45.840
And you couldn't see that location from the edge of

1548
01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:52.720
the road where you walked to correct. Yes, yes, that's correct.

1549
01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.520
And whenever you were standing at the edge of the corn,

1550
01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:59.640
you pointed in the direction where Molly Tibbets was located

1551
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:01.600
as that correct?

1552
01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:09.479
Yes, listen, I told them more or less in what

1553
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:11.119
direction she would be.

1554
01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:16.159
After you pointed in that direction, officers found Mali Tibbets. Correct,

1555
01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:21.720
means this place some minutes afterwards. Were you still present

1556
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:23.720
at the edge of the corn when they found her?

1557
01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:26.399
No?

1558
01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:29.359
Where were you taken back to the car?

1559
01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:31.760
Yes?

1560
01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:42.359
You agree, mister Behena, that you led officers to Mally

1561
01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:45.359
Tibbets on August twenty first of twenty eighteen.

1562
01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:47.399
Put it there.

1563
01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:48.000
Correct.

1564
01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:58.319
You own a black Chevy Malibu. Is that right? It

1565
01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:03.800
has a chrome in Europe. I'm sorry it has a

1566
01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:04.760
chromed mirror.

1567
01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:06.920
Won't speak about that.

1568
01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:09.199
Yes?

1569
01:52:09.439 --> 01:52:12.000
Is that a feature that you placed on the car yourself?

1570
01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:16.840
No?

1571
01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:22.800
No, was that feature on the vehicle when you purchased it?

1572
01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:23.560
Yes?

1573
01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:30.319
Your car also had chromed handles. Yes, it also had

1574
01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:34.199
spoked wheels.

1575
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:34.399
See.

1576
01:52:34.760 --> 01:52:37.399
Yes, you've been seated here in the courtroom for the

1577
01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:41.680
entirety of the trial. Is that right. Yes, Yes, you

1578
01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:45.199
saw the videos that were played last week that show

1579
01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:52.560
a car. Correct. Yes, you agree that that's your vehicle.

1580
01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:57.760
You also agree that Molly Tibbitts was jogging in the

1581
01:52:57.840 --> 01:53:00.960
area when your car sing. Is that right?

1582
01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:04.840
See?

1583
01:53:05.680 --> 01:53:13.159
See, I can't say if she was in the area.

1584
01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:15.239
The only thing I can say is that.

1585
01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:25.800
Was my car. You told Officer Romero that you confronted

1586
01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:30.960
Mally Tibbetts on three hundred and eighty fifth. Is that correct?

1587
01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:32.560
And this was a chance to sink Yes?

1588
01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:38.279
Yes, you never mentioned two other men?

1589
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.920
Is that true to somebody?

1590
01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:41.520
Yes?

1591
01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:49.199
Correct. You told Officer Romero that you were angry at

1592
01:53:49.279 --> 01:53:50.680
Malli Tibbets. Is that true?

1593
01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:53.039
Okay?

1594
01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:59.319
See, I think so. You agree that you saw Molly

1595
01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:02.760
Tibbets on three three hundred and eighty fifth correct, Correct,

1596
01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:13.319
on July eighteenth of twenty eighteen. Correct. You also indicated

1597
01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:18.479
to Officer Romero that Molly Tibbets became angry with you.

1598
01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:24.840
Is that correct? Correct? That Molly Tibbets threatened to call

1599
01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:31.520
the police? Is that correct? Correct? You never mentioned two

1600
01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:35.479
other men to Officer Romero? Is that correct?

1601
01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:36.720
Yes?

1602
01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:48.920
All right. You claim that you went to a cornfield

1603
01:54:50.439 --> 01:54:56.960
where Molly Tibbet's body was placed with two other men.

1604
01:54:58.720 --> 01:55:03.640
These men had their face is covered. Yes, they were

1605
01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:05.800
wearing sweaters. You said.

1606
01:55:09.159 --> 01:55:13.960
It was similar to a sweater so long sleeps yes,

1607
01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:18.000
and long pants yes.

1608
01:55:18.239 --> 01:55:22.960
And what was covering their face exactly? You play a

1609
01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:32.520
type of hat, like a stocking cap, something like that.

1610
01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:39.960
So whenever you get to the cornfield, you're in your vehicle. Yes,

1611
01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:45.800
there's no other vehicle there, not that I saw. Whenever

1612
01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:50.159
you left the cornfield, you left alone.

1613
01:55:50.439 --> 01:55:50.720
Yes.

1614
01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:56.359
The other two men that were there, did they just

1615
01:55:56.439 --> 01:56:03.279
walk back? They ran towards the road. So they ran

1616
01:56:03.319 --> 01:56:11.720
towards the road and just disappeared. I didn't see them again.

1617
01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:15.640
I don't know where they went. So you drove these

1618
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:21.840
two men out to the cornfield. Correct, how's that? I

1619
01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:26.520
understand you drove the two men in your malibus. Who

1620
01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:32.319
is a cornfield where you dumped Molly Tibbets correct? Yes,

1621
01:56:33.239 --> 01:56:36.520
And you're telling us that you drove back to your

1622
01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:42.560
home alone, see, Yes, And you happened to find your

1623
01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:49.399
cell phone and the keys and the trunk of the car. Yes,

1624
01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:52.520
And these two men just disappeared.

1625
01:56:53.319 --> 01:57:09.399
That's right.

1626
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:22.920
Whenever you put Molly Tibbets into the corn you concealed

1627
01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:31.279
her body. Is that correct? You could say that you

1628
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:33.760
placed corn stalks over her body, is that right?

1629
01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:35.279
So timeless?

1630
01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:43.560
Yes, and that covered her body so other people could

1631
01:57:43.600 --> 01:57:49.640
not find her. Correct, sh she was not completely covered.

1632
01:57:56.159 --> 01:58:01.239
You knew Molly Tibbetts's location for nearly five weeks and correct.

1633
01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:03.880
How the cord singles. That's called direct.

1634
01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:08.960
Yes, before you told anyone in law enforcement? Is that right?

1635
01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:12.439
Yes?

1636
01:58:13.199 --> 01:58:18.640
The two men that you say you were with, you

1637
01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:23.880
don't know who they are, that's correct. But you just

1638
01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:28.640
happened to remember that one of them used the name Jack.

1639
01:58:30.359 --> 01:58:30.520
Jack.

1640
01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:56.760
Yes, mister Behena, you don't have a problem with blacking

1641
01:58:56.760 --> 01:59:02.640
out apparently, is that true? Correct? You remember the details

1642
01:59:02.640 --> 01:59:09.079
as you've described them here see Yes, Yet you told

1643
01:59:09.159 --> 01:59:15.239
the officers, specifically Officer Romero, that you blacked out some

1644
01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:20.800
details with regard to what happened to Molly Tibbet's correct.

1645
01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:21.520
Correct.

1646
01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:22.239
Correct.

1647
01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:48.279
The two men that you say that came to your residence,

1648
01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:52.079
did they just walk in that I'm.

1649
01:59:51.920 --> 01:59:52.239
Coming in.

1650
01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:58.880
And I wouldn't know what to tell you because at

1651
01:59:58.920 --> 02:00:01.159
that moment I was taking a show or so.

1652
02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:03.800
Your claim is is that you were taking a shower.

1653
02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:07.079
When you get done with the shower, these two men

1654
02:00:07.119 --> 02:00:13.640
are standing in your residence. Yes, and they are covered

1655
02:00:14.520 --> 02:00:20.000
head to toe so you cannot identify them. That's correct.

1656
02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:23.079
Do you have any idea how they got into your

1657
02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:28.560
trailer through the door? The door was not locked.

1658
02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:30.600
No.

1659
02:00:32.039 --> 02:00:34.680
You live in rural Powersheet County at the time, Is

1660
02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:44.680
that correct? Yes, near Araby Farms. Yes. Did you see

1661
02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:48.399
any vehicle as to how these two men would have

1662
02:00:48.439 --> 02:00:51.000
been transported to your residence?

1663
02:00:52.720 --> 02:00:54.880
Who don't see you?

1664
02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:58.239
Not that I saw so no car to your knowledge.

1665
02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:02.000
Don't make it any I.

1666
02:01:01.960 --> 02:01:37.439
Did not see any car outside of my trailer. Why

1667
02:01:38.640 --> 02:01:45.439
would the two men in your trailer need your help?

1668
02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:46.479
That solution.

1669
02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:49.560
Expect?

1670
02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:55.359
Did you have any connection to the two men that

1671
02:01:55.640 --> 02:01:57.720
walked into your trailer that you know of?

1672
02:01:58.199 --> 02:02:27.960
No, I listen, I don't know. Whenever you're at.

1673
02:02:27.800 --> 02:02:31.960
The Powasheet County Sheriff's Office being interviewed by Pamela Romero,

1674
02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:40.840
you're around police officers. Correct, Yes, you're in a safe environment.

1675
02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:46.680
Would that be true? You could say that the two

1676
02:02:46.800 --> 02:02:53.239
men that you claim abducted Molly Tibbets were nowhere near

1677
02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:58.239
the Sheriff's office to your knowledge, I say, hosted, not

1678
02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:00.640
that I know of, Okay, And you not only talked

1679
02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:03.920
to Pamela Romero, you talk to other officers while you

1680
02:03:03.920 --> 02:03:08.439
were at the sheriff's office. Is that right? Correct? You

1681
02:03:08.479 --> 02:03:13.479
were in a safe place? Correct? You could say that,

1682
02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:19.439
and you failed to mention anything concerning these two men

1683
02:03:19.479 --> 02:03:21.119
and their involvement with Molly.

1684
02:03:20.880 --> 02:03:24.399
Tibbitts and Boss Tiviots.

1685
02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:31.479
Well say, well, like you said, I was in a

1686
02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:33.560
safe place, but I didn't know where my daughter was.

1687
02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:38.199
Well why not? Just you could just tell the officers

1688
02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:43.279
what happened. Correct. You could have done that. I could

1689
02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:45.600
have done that, Okay, and you chose not to correct?

1690
02:03:47.399 --> 02:03:47.720
Correct?

1691
02:03:48.239 --> 02:03:48.600
Correct?

1692
02:03:49.600 --> 02:03:52.119
You could have told the officers that you were worried

1693
02:03:52.199 --> 02:03:52.760
for your daughter.

1694
02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:53.359
Correct.

1695
02:03:57.760 --> 02:03:59.680
Yes, I did tell them that at the beginning, right,

1696
02:04:00.279 --> 02:04:03.119
but worried for your daughter that somebody else might harm them?

1697
02:04:03.159 --> 02:04:05.279
If you told them what you told us here today?

1698
02:04:06.319 --> 02:04:10.000
See what said said.

1699
02:04:15.239 --> 02:04:15.520
Gave me.

1700
02:04:18.279 --> 02:04:21.159
I told them that before giving them any information, I

1701
02:04:21.279 --> 02:04:24.239
needed to know that my daughter and her mother were.

1702
02:04:24.159 --> 02:04:26.840
Safe, and you were assured that they were safe.

1703
02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:29.880
Nobody kill them.

1704
02:04:30.239 --> 02:04:32.920
They didn't tell me anything. Did you press them on

1705
02:04:33.000 --> 02:04:33.399
that at all?

1706
02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:36.279
No?

1707
02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:44.319
You could have had the assistance of law enforcement in

1708
02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:50.760
protecting your the mother of your daughter and your daughter. Correct. Maybe,

1709
02:04:52.039 --> 02:04:54.720
but you chose not to press that correct.

1710
02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:56.960
Bess you know correct?

1711
02:04:57.840 --> 02:04:58.159
Correct?

1712
02:05:07.079 --> 02:05:10.359
Mister Behana. Did you ever have any connection to h.

1713
02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:11.199
Dalton Jack?

1714
02:05:11.520 --> 02:05:14.199
I would Dalton Jack?

1715
02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:15.479
None?

1716
02:05:15.880 --> 02:05:18.520
You didn't know him or his brother Blake. Is that correct?

1717
02:05:20.119 --> 02:05:20.640
Let's correct?

1718
02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:21.960
Correct?

1719
02:05:23.680 --> 02:05:25.920
And you did not know Molly Tibbets.

1720
02:05:27.199 --> 02:05:27.239
No.

1721
02:05:44.760 --> 02:05:51.840
Do you remember being interviewed by officer or Deputy Steve

1722
02:05:51.960 --> 02:06:00.199
Kivey still see? Yes, that occurred in Malcolm on and

1723
02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:08.000
August sixteenth of twenty eighteen. Yes, he talked to you

1724
02:06:08.159 --> 02:06:10.880
about the disappearance of Molly Tibbets.

1725
02:06:10.960 --> 02:06:11.399
Is that right?

1726
02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:18.079
Yes, he just asked me or something like that, So

1727
02:06:18.600 --> 02:06:24.319
Molly Tibbets that subject matter came out correct? Yes, yes,

1728
02:06:24.880 --> 02:06:28.640
and it at that time you knew where Molly Tibbets

1729
02:06:28.720 --> 02:06:29.279
was located?

1730
02:06:29.399 --> 02:06:29.720
Correct?

1731
02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:31.640
Yes, sick?

1732
02:06:31.920 --> 02:06:37.239
Yes, you knew what had happened to her? Correct? Correct?

1733
02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:39.680
You knew that she had been abducted? Is that right?

1734
02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:42.800
Yes?

1735
02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:44.720
You knew that she had been stabbed to death? Is

1736
02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:45.119
that right?

1737
02:06:46.439 --> 02:06:47.000
Don't want it again?

1738
02:06:47.319 --> 02:06:49.039
Yes, most at that moment.

1739
02:06:52.680 --> 02:06:54.520
At that time, I didn't know how she had died.

1740
02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:57.039
I just knew that she was dead. Whenever you put

1741
02:06:57.039 --> 02:07:01.039
her in the corn, she was bleeding. Correct, the just

1742
02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:01.880
have a son that I though.

1743
02:07:02.039 --> 02:07:03.479
Yes, No, you don't know.

1744
02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:06.960
Yes, I'm gonna uh not. There was no more there

1745
02:07:07.039 --> 02:07:09.479
was no there was no longer any blood on her. Well,

1746
02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:11.840
you knew she was dead when you put her in

1747
02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:12.800
the corn, isn't that right?

1748
02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:14.680
Yes?

1749
02:07:15.039 --> 02:07:23.560
Yes, you did not tell Steve Kivvy any of those facts. Correct, Yes, correct.

1750
02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:27.520
You did not ask him for any protection for your

1751
02:07:27.640 --> 02:07:30.800
daughter or your daughter's mother, Is that right?

1752
02:07:33.159 --> 02:07:33.479
Correct?

1753
02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:38.359
You denied having any knowledge of where Molly Tibbets was

1754
02:07:38.439 --> 02:07:39.119
located or what.

1755
02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:39.880
Happened to her.

1756
02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:40.359
Is that right?

1757
02:07:42.359 --> 02:07:42.840
Likes me?

1758
02:07:42.920 --> 02:07:49.159
The both of you said whenever you confronted Molly Tibbets

1759
02:07:49.319 --> 02:07:51.399
on three hundred and eighty fifth, you recall that?

1760
02:07:51.600 --> 02:07:51.960
Is that right?

1761
02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:54.039
To correct him?

1762
02:07:54.760 --> 02:07:56.880
No, I never did that.

1763
02:07:57.720 --> 02:07:59.399
You were on the road on three hundred and eighty

1764
02:07:59.439 --> 02:08:01.720
fifth whenever she was running.

1765
02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:06.439
Correct, Yes, but I never confronted her.

1766
02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:11.600
Okay, You told the officers that you confronted her, correct. Yes,

1767
02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:14.800
you told the officers that she was angry with you, correct,

1768
02:08:17.720 --> 02:08:21.239
something like that, And you told the officers to the

1769
02:08:21.239 --> 02:08:27.800
officer Romero that she slapped you. Correct. I don't remember

1770
02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:30.439
that that made that you're angry at her?

1771
02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:30.880
Correct?

1772
02:08:34.439 --> 02:08:37.960
Well, you could say that, well, you said it. Isn't

1773
02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:38.319
that right?

1774
02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:43.640
I don't remember, and that's what I cannot answer.

1775
02:08:44.680 --> 02:08:50.319
You told officer Romero that you were angry. Isn't that right?

1776
02:08:55.039 --> 02:08:57.039
Overruled Windness can answer.

1777
02:08:59.479 --> 02:08:59.760
Video.

1778
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Well, if it's in the video, I said it.

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You told the officer, officer Rameiro, that you were angry, correct, and.

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Asked and answered.

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After that, you told officer Ramero that you were driving

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in your black Chevy Malibu alone, Yes, and you remember

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having earbuds on your lap, isn't that right?

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Correct?

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And you remember Molly Tibbets being in the truck correct, correct,

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failed to mention anyone else in the car?

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Correct?

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Correct.

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The next thing that you remember, you were at a cornfield,

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on the edge of the cornfield. Do you remember that?

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Yes?

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And you alone, mister Behena, took Molly Tibbets into the

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corn Yes, and you alone placed corn stocks on her body. Yes,

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mister Behena, you stabbed Molly Tibbets. Isn't that right?

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I think mister Brown is not clear as to whether

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he asked about the interview and then he asked about

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what mister Behena Rivera did. If it needs to be clear.

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I'll sustain the objection and ask you to rephrase and

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be more specific, if you would, mister Brown.

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I can do that, mister Behena, We're not talking about

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the interview. I'm talking about what you did. Okay? Are

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we clear?

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Okay?

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Yes, you stabbed Molly Tibbets. Isn't that right? No, you're

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the one that did that. Isn't that group? Objection asked

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and answered, you alone took Molly Tibbets into the corn.

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Isn't that right?

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Yes?

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The two men that you mentioned didn't help you do that?

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Is that right?

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Correct?

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You took Molly Tibbetts into the corn and place corn

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stocks on her body? Correct?

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Answered and compound.

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Only interpret one percent at times.

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And interpret then that you're.

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The question that.

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Mister Brown. For the benefit of the interpreter, I'm gonna

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ask you rephrase the question and before the witness answers,

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we'll give the defense an opportunity to lodge their objection.

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I can do that.

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You took Molly Tibbets into the corn, alone. Correct objection,

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asked and answered, sustain you placed cornstocks on her body?

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Isn't that right?

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Correct?

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And you left her there for nearly five weeks? Correct?

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Asked and answered.

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Correct.

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You never mentioned, mister Behina, that the two men that

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you claim were with you, that you ever saw them again?

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Did you?

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No?

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Did they ever contact you again?

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No?

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These men who you claim killed Molly Tibbotts never contacted

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you one more time.

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No.

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And to your knowledge, these two men that you claim

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uh did the things that you've described, you have no

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idea how they had any connection to you. No, to

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your knowledge, mister Behena, has anyone threatened anyone since uh

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you took objection? Can I finish the question? Please? Yes,

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you may, mister Behena, Has anyone threatened you since you

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took Molly Tibbet's body into the corner?

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No?

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You've had no other contact with these two men that

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you claim did what you described.

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Correct.

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Do you remember being asked in the interview by uh

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mis Ramero if you were covering for anyone.

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That's it?

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Yes?

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And you told her that you were not. Is that correct?

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Correct?

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So you were given an opportunity in the presence of

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law enforcement to tell what you've told us here today. Correct.

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Correct, And you chose not to do that, and as

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a moment.

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Style at that moment, I was really scared.

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I understand that you may have been scared, but you

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chose not to tell them. Correct.

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Correct.

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Do you remember your interview with miss Romero out of

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the cornfield?

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Not a lot.

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At one point you told her that you whenever she

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was well, let me strict that. At one point during

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the interview with her, she presses you for more details.

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Do you recall that at this point counsel is testifying.

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Sustain Do you remember being at the cornfield at the

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side with officers at the side of the cornfield with

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Officer Ramero. Yes, and she was talking to you correct, Yes,

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And she was asking you questions correct, correct, and you

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were providing her answers. Is that right?

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Yes.

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At one point towards the end of that interview, did

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she ask you for more details? Yes, and your response

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was I brought you here. Correct.

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I don't remember, but if it is in the interview,

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it is true.

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You also told her I did it, didn'ty. Do you

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recall that.

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The truth?

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No, you don't remember asking her that question. No, you

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told her that you could not provide any more details.

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Is that right?

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If it's in the interview, it is true.

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I want you to go off what you remember, mister Mahina, Okay,

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can you.

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Do that for me?

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When the US Detectior medal this Lente vista.

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Solo qual example, a well officer, Romero says that the

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interview in the car lasted like for an hour. But

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all I remember that she asked me was an interpretw clarified,

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interpreted not here? What was the reason why you did it?

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And you told her that you couldn't remember?

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Correct?

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I'm sorry.

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Approach please